Last modified: 2014-08-31 00:41:31 UTC
Tracking bug for issues related to the [[mw:Typography Refresh]] / Ic5ba836364d04b2c3814777b69b5f47fce25292a .
Removed bug 260 as a dependency since we removed that from the specification and code in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/121419/
For things like bug 63720 comment 10, we need reliable information or we can't assess bug status. We clearly don't have internal resources to assess whether, for instance, HP copies of Helvetica are installed by thousands, millions or hundreds millions users: does someone have ideas on what external resources would be available for such assessments?
Nemo: why did you add a Liberation Sans bug to the see also? Liberation Sans is no longer specified in the font-family styles and users on Linux systems are getting Nimbus Sans now.
Because it was reported in relation to [[mw:Talk:Typography refresh]].
I can link it in comments: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1084493
I have merged the Gerrit change (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/),
restoring the body font to "sans-serif". The heading font is unchanged for now.
I've read the entire wikitech-l thread (89 emails as of writing) and
pondered this carefully. My summary of the situation is:
* This font stack, according to WMF Design, only provides real
improvements for Macs (~6% of Wikimedia sites visitors per
and should be (nearly) identical to defaults for other systems.
However, it causes major rendering issues for an unspecified number
of Windows and Linux users (especially with, respectively, Helvetica
and Nimbus Sans L; see both open and closed dependencies of bug
* This font stack also apparently causes issues with non-Latin-script
languages (not very well-specified ones, though; more bug reports
like bug 63817 would be welcome); it's serious enough for at least
one affected Wikimedia wiki (the Japanese Wikipedia) to have already
reset the stack to "sans-serif". This might affect the serif heading
fonts more than the sans-serif body fonts (again, more precise
* The wikitech-l discussion, as well as various on-wiki discussions
(e.g. on WP:VPT on the English Wikipedia) have been overwhelmingly
in favor of restoring the plain "sans-serif" font definition.
* Orthogonally to these issues, all other aspects of the typography
refresh have been generally considered successful and minor problems
with them have been quickly fixed.
Based on the points above and my own common sense I think this should
be merged, and a similar follow-up for serif heading fonts might also
be necessary (but that's obviously a lower-severity problem, there
isn't that much text in headings). Steven, I'm sorry, but I'm
overriding your -2.
(I'm posting this on the Gerrit change
<https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/>, on the tracking bug
<https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63549> and in the
wikitech-l thread. Please reply on wikitech-l.)
(In reply to Bartosz Dziewoński from comment #5)
> (I'm posting this on the Gerrit change
> <https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/>, on the tracking bug
> <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63549> and in the
> wikitech-l thread. Please reply on wikitech-l.)
What, no link to the thread?