Last modified: 2014-09-26 12:08:18 UTC
We noticed on nl-wiki that when someone mentions a user (with link to userpage) that the user who is mentioned doesn't get a notification. Please enable this.
Further testing makes us conclude that if a signature is in a template, no notification is given, but when a manual signature is added, a notification is given and received.
Links: No notification: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Helpdesk&diff=41391089&oldid=41391043 No notification: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Helpdesk&diff=next&oldid=41391108 Notification received: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Helpdesk&diff=next&oldid=41391130 No notification: (it happens often that a user adds a link later on) https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Helpdesk&diff=next&oldid=41391237
It seems that this problem also occurs in talk namespaces. No notification: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overleg_gebruiker%3ARomaine&diff=41391316&oldid=41375665
This problem should be fixed by resolving bug 64778 (remove the "signature requirement" for triggering a Mention Notification). I'll ask around, to see if there's anything I can nudge to move this forward (I'm not sure how complicated that fix will be).
By the way, using a template as part of a signature was forbidden by delevoper in the past (but I have no permalink), see also the english wikipedia for some extra text and hints about that topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures#Transclusion_of_templates_.28or_other_pages.29
@Umherirrender: To reply on that English page, the first one is not an issue, has never been any issue, at least not on various projects else than en-wiki. The second is a non-argument (certainly for wiki's other than en-wiki), we have thousands of templates that are much used. And the third, we do not have the intention to test the software, but in the past we are told "not to worry about performance, if something is breaking developers would make it impossible". Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_worry_about_performance Template signatures have been used for least 8 years, if performance is really an issue all the communities should have been informed, which is not the case. Or more likely: made impossible to have template signatures.
When using template syntax in the signature field on Special:Preferences the {{}} is replaced on save by {{subst:}} (or the localized form), so you have to use a second template to trick mediawiki here. You are using https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Romaine/H for that.
If it is really not allowed to use a template signature, I certainly would have expected that all templates are substed, not just the entered one.
(My apologies for continuing this slightly off-topic discussion, within the bug. I just wanted to add a quick explanation, in case it wasn't already known by everyone, or in case there are variant conditions at other non-Enwiki projects which is where I'm most-familiar. :) (In reply to Romaine from comment #8) > If it is really not allowed to use a template signature, I certainly would > have expected that all templates are substed, not just the entered one. As I understand it, at least on Enwiki, the potential-problem is that signature template-pages are not usually very widely watchlisted, and hence the many pages that someone's signature appears on, might easily be vandalized via that obscure subpage. They're also generally not semi-protected. Some users might have many thousands more transclusions than the ~6,000 pages that your signature-page is in. ( http://tools.wmflabs.org/templatecount/index.php?lang=nl&namespace=2&name=Romaine%2FHandtekening#bottom ) Or they might appear only on a few scattered and obscure talkpages, and not get seen, *by an editor who can track down the problem*, for many months/years. As for why secondary-templates in signatures are not automagically subst:d, I don't know (am not a dev), but it might be worth opening a new bug for it, or changing this bug to specifically address that issue, or something similar? I'll leave that up to better minds. </tangent> On-topic: I'm continuing to poke at bug 64778, and will treat that as the main bug for updates. HTH.
