Last modified: 2006-01-27 03:06:13 UTC
To avoid deletion of an original image it should be possible to mark a revision as an original. This should not block further edits but should block deletions of the image by anyone except the original uploader or an admin. A new revision can be set as a new original by the same user who did the upload of the previous original or by an admin. If a original-flag is set there should be no delete link available for this revision at the image page. The last revision is the one shown on article page, but on the image page a link should somehow be available to easilly view the original, possibly by bolding the actual revision link. See also http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2099
I'm not really sure what this would accomplish, since image deletions are already limited to admins since a couple years ago.
If I understood correctly, users can "tag" their own images as originals and they are not to be deleted. Alrighty then, but anyone (including vandals) can upload some images (some maybe obscene or something) and they couldn't be deleted? That's just wrong. The wiki software is built so that everything can be reversed. Undeletion would be just fine.
(In reply to comment #2) > The wiki software is built so that everything can be reversed. Undeletion would be just fine. At this time, MediaWiki does not contain features for, nor support, undeletion of images. It's permanent. See bug 2099 which is an open request for this feature.
Oh. I was misleaded. Someone told me that got enabled and I didn't care to check. Sorry. But still...
Resolving INVALID.
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my description. I do not want an undelete action, I want a way to mark which revision to keep. Sort of saying "all others are edited version, keep last one and this". John
The original is the earliest one. How hard can it be? :)
It is this which is the problem I guess. The initial uploader uploads one, or several, images. Then the next user or sysop picks up one of those and edits it, and reuploads. After a while there exists several versions. One is the original, or the best source, and the rest are edited copies. Later some sysop wants to clean up all redundant revisions and makes some ad-hoc asumptions about which images he can delete. Still later the original uploader notes his image is missing and a small war breaks out. I believe there are two notable revisions. One "raw" image and a bunch of edited copies. Most of the time the original will be the first image, unless the user (me) makes a mess. then the original can be any one of those he (I) uploads. I believe the last image the original uploader posted is the one to tag as the original. The next notable revision is the "final" edited copy. This is the one in use today in wikipedia. I don't want to change this and this should be used as today. What I would like to do is to somehow tag the raw image so a) it is clearly visible to everyone as the original image - probably nothing more than a bolded link b) it is not easy to delete, even for a sysop - the "original" flag has to be cleared before it can be deleted (del is hidden/insensitive) c) it is (nearly) always possible to revert back to this image - it is not deleted by accident d) it can always be used to make new edited copies - it will not interfere with "free" images in any interpretation of the word I don't think any additional privs should be necessary for å sysop to clear the original-flag on an image. The additional steps should be necessary to make it very clear that this is the original and deleting this one is a unwanted action by at least the original uploader. I believe there are some additional actions which should be possible. One is for an admin to clear the original flag from one revision and adding it to another revision. This should (?) be two different operations to make it clear for the admin that this is highly unusual. The only reason I see for this is to overrule an unwanted revision. I believe any new revision uploaded by the same user as uploaded the original image should take the role as the new original revision. The user should be able to overrule this. Probably by a single click on a link. I'm tempted to believe it is a good idea to let the admin use the same kind of single-click link, but I'm also tempted to believe it is wiser to let the last image uploaded by the original uploader get the original flag anyhow. So, what does this lead to? It creates a kind of three-layered image repository. At the top-level it is the image in-use. This is the one used by all the wikies. At the next level it is all the diffrent edited copies which is not in use but also is not marked as the original. At the bottom level there is the original. That one should not be easilly deleted. A benefit of this is for a photographer that his original is retained even if some users find it interesting, or usefull, to edit the image. An other benefit is that the deletion rules for an revision can be somewhat relaxed because a user can only delete the revisions which is not marked as original. This can remove some tedious cleanup tasks from the sysops. If this is to be allowed no important image should be marked as anything as the original. John
