Last modified: 2014-04-15 23:56:31 UTC
A system that would allow the easy (automated) creation of refernces (to books or webpages) along with bibliography, with support for BiBTeX databases would be awesome.
I'm glad I'm not the first to think of this. In reality, what I think I would want is this: (and I'm willing to help) * articles in a special format that has a bib entry on top, and with pdf-link, ps-link, doc-link, etc. BibTeX fields to show where the original document can be found. Of course these really are just articles, and can be edited as usual. * a new bib: namespace that will link to articles and if it finds bib information, then it formats "[bib:key]" by default as "<u>title</u>. <i>authors</i> publication-short-name year (link-to-pdf) (link-to-other-format) (link-to-yet-another-format)" or some user-specified format. * Special Page to view just the BibTex parts of all the bib articles at once (for copy-paste to a .bib file) * Buttons on bib pages to open a new browser window and find the article on Google Scholar, CiteSeer, etc. * Special Page to import from Google Scholar, CiteSeer, etc. I'm totally willing to put in some time to making this happen, but I am new to MediaWiki, and to php, and don't even know what mailing lists I should be asking questions on. (I've installed php-mode.el and have started digging around. a bit.) Help? Thanks, Grem
And as I'm thinking about it, also a separate [cite:foo] namespace that would be formatted as (Author YEAR), and link to the full [bib:foo] at the bottom, where those would be accumulated and displayed in alphabetical order by author, as usual at the bottom of articles. I totally see this as a public scholarly discourse medium of the future: Want a good argument against creationism being taught in schools? Want a scholarly history avec bibliography of France? Want a scholarly introduction to the relevant literature on Natural Language Question Answering? Check it on this wiki page, and track its changes, and have largish groups contribute to it. This is happening now, except for the ability to cite sources cleanly. This relates to Bug 800 in that we could pioneer a bibtex entry format (including datestamp) for wiki pages.
Thanks for your imput. My ambition is to create a site with social science research and a system that make refernces as painless as possible would be very usefull. - Mads
Created attachment 2639 [details] new extension, 'copy' of cite.php, with bibtex enhancement This is a working version of a bibtex enhancement of the cite.php. It is ABSOLUTELY not a perfect system, but before patching on, I think I should make this one visible to the public, and maybe allow it for further discussion. Things to be done: * Error handling (hardly anything at the moment) * Maybe move code into cite.php, so not a standalone extension, or make this an extension of the cite class from cite.php? * Discuss how to format references that are loaded from a bibtex format * Security checks * Performance checks (this thing may be very slow) (and maybe more). * Other formats (RIS-files?)
Created attachment 2640 [details] new extension, 'copy' of cite.php, with bibtex enhancement This is a working version of a bibtex enhancement of the cite.php. It is ABSOLUTELY not a perfect system, but before patching on, I think I should make this one visible to the public, and maybe allow it for further discussion. Things to be done: * Error handling (hardly anything at the moment) * Maybe move code into cite.php, so not a standalone extension, or make this an extension of the cite class from cite.php? * Discuss how to format references that are loaded from a bibtex format * Security checks * Performance checks (this thing may be very slow) (and maybe more). * Other formats (RIS-files?)
For those who want to see a working copy, see http://chemistry.poolspares.com/wiki/Text
Created attachment 2641 [details] Functionality as a patch for cite.php Should be the same as the other patch, but patched into cite.php
Created attachment 2647 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php New version of patch, some enhancement in comparison with the previous version: - Error handling - formatting references slightly adapted - removed quite some php-errors - extended working of biblio tag - security improved (should be ok now, system similar to cite.php Still need to be done: + other formats (but that is not important for the working) + internationalisation IMPORTANT: This patch needs a performance test. It might be that with large "external" BibTeX pages, mediawiki performance is affected.
Created attachment 2648 [details] BibTeX patch for cite.php Internationalisation added. For further info, see comment #8
I think that this is a fabulous idea, but in the wrong place. Rather than spatchcocking it into [[m:Cite/Cite.php]] and subverting the <ref> tags, I feel that it would be better to create a new independent set of tags which could work orthogonally with <ref> and <references/>. There are still people who prefer not to work with <ref> who would be very interested in these BibTeX tags: surely it would make more sense to make them independent.
Created attachment 2649 [details] Addition of BibTeX functionality, and a new working variety of ref 1) Further tweak of BibTeX 2) Added an 'other way around' functionality. <bibtex store> or <biblio store> creates a table of references, which can be used in the text to create an inline reference with a new tag <bibref>. Still needs: * Performance checking * Code clean up * Security check (though I think it is OK) * optimisation of the output-code (functions parseBibTeX and parseBibRef (are now generating a template call, while the template may not exist).
Created attachment 2656 [details] code cleanup and removal of some errors in bibtex functionality Upgraded version. Former comments still true.
Created attachment 2661 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php Almost the same as the previous, without annoying whitespace patching and with repair of some small errors. For comments, see earlier patches
Created attachment 2662 [details] BibTeX patch for cite.php One major error in 2661, resolved.
Created attachment 2664 [details] BibTeX and BibRef functionality for cite.php Added format, removed some errors. Ready for a review (escpecially performance).
Created attachment 2668 [details] BibTeX patch for cite.php Adapted the i18n with newer reference formatting. For further comments see my earlier additions.
Created attachment 2671 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php Changed some things in the files after recommendations from Brion, and removed a bug. For rest see comments above.
Created attachment 2677 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php Removed some small errors, better internationalisation (BibliographyReader now does his own), rest similar to above.
Created attachment 2679 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php Added error messages for empty inputs, made error messages more informative, BibTeX fields from other page are now loaded only from within the tagset (see http://chemistry.poolspares.com, lower half of main page). Further comments as above.
Created attachment 2681 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php newer version, some minor glitches removed, code cleanup, and bibref now reads bibtex fields as well. Further comments, see above
Created attachment 2685 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php More errors gone, see comments above
Created attachment 2746 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php Cleaning up using exceptions
Created attachment 2747 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php removed wrongly str_replace, wfMsg takes parameter. also changed wfMsg to wfMsgForContent.
Created attachment 2748 [details] BibTeX functionality patch for cite.php Moved around the code a bit, introduce private and public functions/variables.
Created attachment 2877 [details] Bibtex and footnote functionality for cite.php Moved the code around, and generalised the use of the code (numbering can now be adapted to users preference). This allows for using the same cite-mechanism for footnotes (which are different from the references). <references/> gets used at the bottom of the document (as usual, the functionality for bibtex is only available for the ref/references tagset), <footnotes/> can be used on a per-section basis, for separate comments. The contents for the footnotes gets reset every time when <footnotes/> gets called.
Created attachment 2879 [details] small adaption of last patch Changed generator for tags, now independent of array-size (for custom tags)
Created attachment 2888 [details] Bibtex and footnote functionality for cite.php Removed 4 bugs and 1 error (found while writing a manual at http://chemistry.poolspares.com/wiki/CiteManual).
Created attachment 3065 [details] Bibtex and footnote functionality for cite.php (updated patch, old patch conflicted with patch in bug 7908)
Created attachment 3066 [details] Bibtex and footnote functionality for cite.php (resolving patch conflict with 19203)
Created attachment 3067 [details] Bibtex and footnote functionality for cite.php (remove conflict)
Disregard last patch, contains a serious design-flaw (cite.php may loose it's capability of counting consistently).
*Bulk BZ Change: +Patch to open bugs with patches attached that are missing the keyword*
I really wish the patch worked :(
Unassigning this bug, as there is no assignee.
James, when you say "in the future, I would like VisualEditor to autofill references automatically" (or something similar), are you considering the approach proposed here as a possibility? In other words, is there a future for this old request in our plans?
(In reply to Quim Gil from comment #35) > James, when you say "in the future, I would like VisualEditor to autofill > references automatically" (or something similar), are you considering the > approach proposed here as a possibility? > > In other words, is there a future for this old request in our plans? Not as written, though I imagine export to BibTeX format would be a fairly trivial enhancement onto such a system.
