Last modified: 2014-10-09 19:03:54 UTC
Some suggestions from Krinkle: * w.org (exists, for sale) * w.co (available) * w.ly (exists, unavailable) * wmf.org (exists, unavailable) * wmf.co (exists, for sale) * wmf.ly (available) * wi.ki (exists, for sale?) * w.mf (available)
I sent an inquiry re w.org.
Apparently GoDaddy (ugg) wants no less than $50,000 for w.org.
This issue lacks some critical specifications to be actionable, certainly at any priority or urgency. 1) Maximum length allowed? There are plenty cheap names of nine characters (e.g. WMFSL.ORG, which I'd gladly hand over). For short URL applications, e.g. with 140-character limit, does it really matter if the short URL is 22 characters (http://xxxxx.xxx/xxxxxx) vs. 18 characters (http://x.xx/xxxxxx)? (More than 2 URLs in short messages are unusual.) Also, anything shorter than "wmf" loses identity. 2) Exact budget limitation for shorter names? What's the added budget for an 8-character name? 6 characters? Minimal 4 characters? 3) Exact time limitations for shorter names? What's the cost of waiting another month? Year? Why not use a cheap nine-letter domain name now and map to a shorter one if and when it's acquired? 4) TLD limitations. e.g. isn't country association problematic? Why not xxxxx.ORG? Is that one less letter really worth tens of thousands of dollars and the time it would take to identify and acquire it?
Hello. The domain name isn't that important. The important benefit is shortening the right hand side of URLs, which can easily be more than 50 characters. (I'd propose that one single domain gets used for anything related to wikipedia and wikmedia, but it might be a good idea to implement a whitelist the domains that are related (preventing unrelated URLs to be shortened).) In order to unblock this task, let's simply pick one that's reasonable short (less than 10 characters) and makes some sense. Did you say you are already in possession of the "wmfsl.org" domain? What does "sl" mean? Would that be appropriate for other wikipedia content, too? Here is another proposal, that contains the generic word "url", gives an indication to wikipedia/wikimedia in general, without pointing to "foundation" in particular: wikurl.org (domain available at time of typing this comment, and cheap, let's be quick to register if you like this idea. I'd be glad to register this for you, but I guess it's better if the wiki* organization registers it right away.) Thanks for helping to push this forward!
(and "wikurl.org" is even shorter than the popular "tinyurl.com")
Re "wmfsl.org" I was thinking "short link". I've actually turned it on as a working prototype. See https://wmfsl.org/.1mwekhv (It's Bitly based, so doesn't address privacy/secrecy issues.)
I'm studying the related issues and RFCs. I don't see any need to further postpone a phase 1 solution that simply provides short links. Other considerations were shorter links that still preserved some bit of human readability that can be addressed in a subsequent phase.
(In reply to Kai Engert from comment #5) > (and "wikurl.org" is even shorter than the popular "tinyurl.com") fwiw wkurl.org is even shorter and also available. (In reply to Daniel Norton from comment #6) > Re "wmfsl.org" I was thinking "short link". I'm nobody and I have no special interest in this feature, but a derivative of "wiki"is better than a derivative of "Wikimedia Foundation", and "URL" is a quite neutral acronym, even if it comes from English as well.
Thanks for explaining the meaning of "wmfsl". I don't have a strong opinion. I think that "wikurl" or "wkurl" are slightly more readable and prouncable than "wmfsl", and it seems there is some support for the argument that avoiding a focus on "foundation" might be good. But besides that, I think something is better than nothing. Since there is a good explanation for "wmfsl", and since you have already configured, and if you have a preference to use "wmfsl", don't let our ideas stop you from proceeding. Daniel, thanks a lot for working on this!
A good point, Quim. For that matter wkil.org is shorter, still. (So I've obtained it, too: http://wkil.org/.1jReFWR ) (We're all "nobodys" right? ;-) I'm more interested in principles and practices, and less about personalities.) But, again, the domain name is relatively minor, as long as we settle on something. (We can change to a permanent one, later, if needed.) Let's get something working... p.s. If you really like a domain name, please acquire it before mentioning it publicly (i.e. here), so that an opportunistic speculator can't hijack it.
