Last modified: 2012-09-27 01:10:43 UTC
The above URL is linked to the word "navigation". However, it no longer jumps to the "Navigation" section, but instead to the "Views" section. One must manually scroll down to get to the "Navigation" section. Note you might need to turn off CSS or use lynx etc. to see what I am talking about at all. Affects all languages. You could change the names, or better, just really jump to Navigation.
Created attachment 6189 [details] we jump to "Views" so say so OK, here is a patch. Don't you agree the link makes 200% more sense now? (Remember you must in e.g., Firefox, use "View>Page Style>No Style" to see what I'm talking about.) The only problem is now that we are looking at >"Jump to: Views, search" one capitalized, the other lowercase. The solution is to go ahead and (please you go ahead and also) on that same line of source code, change msg('jumptosearch') to msg('search'). And remember to make those changes for the other skins too. I can do the above easily if you would like, however the following I would prefer somebody else to do: You might as well retire the two strings jumptonavigation, and jumptosearch, as they will no longer be used. Discussion: There in fact is a place called "Navigation". It's there in the sidebar code. And even though it has a nice name, it is not where you currently are jumping to, (nor should it be, as you currently jump to a better place). The above patch corrects the confusion by using the same label, at source and destination.
And for Vector skin, on http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector the link labeled "navigation", http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector#head jumps to "Personal tools", i.e., the same place http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector#personal jumps to, and not the place with the word "Navigation", i.e., http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector#p-navigation Can somebody please in their Firefox do View>Page Style>No style and confirm I'm not nuts?
(In reply to comment #2) > And for Vector skin, on > http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector > the link labeled "navigation", > http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector#head > jumps to "Personal tools", i.e., the same place > http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector#personal > jumps to, and not the place with the word "Navigation", i.e., > http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector#p-navigation > > Can somebody please in their Firefox do View>Page Style>No style and > confirm I'm not nuts? > Confirmed it jumps there, but not sure it's wrong. Monobook doesn't jump to navigation either, but jumps to "Views". Also, the order is different between the skins. I understand the navigation link to jump to the first of the bulleted lists of links, so in that sense it works. Closing as WORKSFORME unless there's a compelling argument to change stuff; jumping to the first of the navigation lists for convenience rather than jumping to the middle of them for correctness sounds better to me.
This is even worse than bug 18403. Yes, if it just said 'jump to "first of navigation links"' it would make more sense... there has to be a better way. Non text browser users just don't understand how (non)funny this looks.
(In reply to comment #4) > This is even worse than bug 18403. > Yes, if it just said 'jump to "first of navigation links"' it would make more > sense... there has to be a better way. > Non text browser users just don't understand how (non)funny this looks. > I agree that the link doesn't do what it says, but I do think that the place it points to right now is the right place for it to point to. Maybe the caption should be changed to be more correct.
>jumping to the first of the navigation lists for convenience rather >than jumping to the middle of them for correctness sounds better to me. Me too. > Maybe the caption should be changed to be more correct. "♫ Here I come to save the day ♫ ☺"... (in my usual half-ass ♪ way ☹): I'll add two different solution patch ideas to chose from... For both solutions I'm worried that the translation won't percolate down, so maybe retire 'jumptonavigation' from everywhere in the code, and use a different variable that would start fresh...
Created attachment 6308 [details] adds the word "all" to jumptonavigation, but only for three languages Solution 1: just like bug 18403 (so I'll slide Brion into the Cc list), add the word "all" to distinguish. (plural navigationS sounds funny.)
Created attachment 6309 [details] makes Jumptonavigation say "sidebar", but only for one language so far Solution 2: say in fact "sidebar", that way even text browser users with nothing on the side would even know where the "sidebar" people talk about is.
Or say "navigation group", or say "controls", you name it... anything other than plain "navigation" which is already used... (unless you want to change that instead...urggg.)
Created attachment 6374 [details] in vector skin, jumpto search jumps nowhere, and jumpto navigation doesn't jump there
Let me approach this bug from a different point of view, the vector skin. See attachment 6374 [details], made when browsing http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?uselang=en&useskin=vector The vector skin's "search" jumpto link jumps nowhere. Also the "navigation" jumpto link does not jump to the place that says "navigation", but instead to a better place, which is good, but confusing, as elaborated above. Be sure to use View > Page Style > No Style in Firefox to know what I'm talking about.
Solved in r53611. This was actually a regression, broken when #search was changed to #p-search in r52816.
OK, thank you for fixing #p-search. I had one of those "Ah-ha! moments" (what's the opposite of an "Ah-ha! moment"?), and hope somebody will consider my idea to straighten out the remaining "Jump to" accessibility links, first for the vector skin, and if proves feasible, for the remaining skins. Current situation: Jump to: navigation, search Views Personal tools Navigation Search Toolbox and "naviagtion" jumps to Views, not Navigation. Jidanni July 2009 proposed situation: Jump to: Views, Personal tools, Navigation, Search, Toolbox Views Personal tools Navigation Search Toolbox and each jumps to it's rightly named destination. And of course we know that not each of the destinations will always be generated, (e.g., there are more in fact that you don't see here) therefore each Jump to item should only be appended if its corresponding destination will exist! A total win-win situation! (Don't worry, we accessibility concerned users will not complain that the page is now TOO accessible. Just make sure the Jump to links are in the same order as they will appear below. If you think my idea is a great one and need a patch, just ask.)
Comment on attachment 6374 [details] in vector skin, jumpto search jumps nowhere, and jumpto navigation doesn't jump there Purple line fixed. Red line problem could be solved by having links for each destination, as mentioned in comment #13.
The navigation link goes to #head, which jumps to the beginning of the links which are normally in the head. Although on Wikipedia the first sidebar is also called "navigation", this is not true for all wikis, since this is a locally configurable thing. Thus, the current behavior is the correct behavior, and this bug is closed.
(In reply to comment #15) I never ever even tested Wikipedia. It is true for all wikis unless the administrator hacks his wiki! That's how Mediawiki ships out of the box.
