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Bug 660 - Parallel use both of national specific characters and of "& # nnn ;"
Parallel use both of national specific characters and of "& # nnn ;"
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Internationalization (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal normal with 1 vote (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t...
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Blocks: 3985
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Reported: 2004-10-07 20:41 UTC by lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט
Modified: 2005-12-12 14:20 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Description lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2004-10-07 20:41:49 UTC
Dear friends, with my browser I can not see the page 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_saga correctly.

For reasons not known to me this site is using both (some of) 
the special characters specific for the Icelandic language 
ÁáÐðÉéÍíÓóÚúÝýÞþÆæÖö and characters coded as "& # nnn ;".

With my browser the characters suposed to be generated 
with "& # nnn ;" are not displayed properly.
This issue cloud be generall for many articles / pages and 
could be corrected either manualy or with a bot, or with a 
code correction (if this behavior is a bug).

According to me there are some content errors as well 
(depending if old or new ortography was intended to be used; 
to my knowledge in old writing additional characters where 
available too). 

The article (and maybe similar articles if the change was 
made by a bot / code change in the past) should be reworked / 
verified because
Fljótsdœla saga 
Grœnlendinga saga 
Hœnsa-Þóris saga 
Laxdœla saga 
Reykdœla saga ok Víga-Skútu 
Svarfdœla saga 
Vatnsdœla saga 
using all "œ" = HTML "oelig" sould probably use "æ" = 
HTML "aelig" .

Regardless of what solution is chosen I kindly ask you to 
send me feedback with a recommendion what is allowed / 
supported /recommended and what not.

Regards Reinhardt
Comment 1 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2004-10-07 20:47:47 UTC
Add CC: reinhardt.wiewe@lenauschule.de Thanks!
Comment 2 Brion Vibber 2004-10-07 21:54:13 UTC
There seems to be some use of œ and numbered unicode characters outside of the latin-1 range. These characters, written as 
named or numbered character references, are fine in text on the Latin-1-based English wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org) but do not 
produce legal links because those characters do not exist in Latin-1 (ISO-8859-1).

The page should be cleaned up by editors.
Comment 3 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2004-10-07 23:20:54 UTC
Dear friends, I received feedback from w:en:User:Io on 
w:en:User_talk:Gangleri . Following his advice I installed Mozilla /5.0 
(Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1;rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041001 Firefox/0.10.1 .

With Mozilla I could see the characters mentioned wich are old 
Icelandic characters and looks like a combination of "O" / "o" and "," 
as this looks like for the French "Ç" / "ç" . The usage of the 
other "OElig" / "oelig" characters "Œ" / "œ" instead of 
characters "Æ" / "æ" (used in modern Iceland now for these saga names) 
in the text is intended by authors (because they refer to original 
writings).

I agree with Brion not to use these characters as articles names / 
links. Nevertheless there may be still the need to use the 
[[transliterated_article_name|original_article_name]]. At the moment 
[[Vǫlsunga saga]] is redirected anyhow to [[Völsunga saga]] using 
actual (not ancient) Icelandic characters.

   Additional note: The bug with the use of "#redirect" (all lowercase 
leters) instead of "#REDIRECT" (all capital leters) wil be reported as 
a separate bug.


I want to point out that because many site visitors are using MS IE 
these charecters may not be visible with the coding in the article with 
the actual interpretation / handling by wiki software.

Regards Reinhardt
Comment 4 Brion Vibber 2005-10-29 01:36:00 UTC
Considering this resolved; everything got converted to UTF-8 and the funky Windows-
CP1252 stuff got converted more or less correctly. The given page from the date of 
filing seems to display ok in IE 6 now.
Comment 5 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2005-12-12 10:40:40 UTC
chanded url using &oldid, changed product, component, etc.

This is FIXED as [[en:]] is UTF-8 now.
Ǫ and ǫ are rendereding properly
[[Vǫlsunga saga]] generates properly [[Vǫlsunga saga]] (page does not exist)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laxd%C5%93la_saga&redirect=no is a
redirect
[[Ǫrvar-Odds saga]] generates properly [[Ǫrvar-Odds saga]]

The database contains some deleted pages (redirects?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S%C3%87%C2%ABgubrot_af_fornkonungum
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C3%87%C2%ABlsunga_saga

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