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Bug 660 - Parallel use both of national specific characters and of "& # nnn ;"
Parallel use both of national specific characters and of "& # nnn ;"
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Internationalization (Other open bugs)
All All
: Normal normal with 1 vote (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Blocks: 3985
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Reported: 2004-10-07 20:41 UTC by lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט
Modified: 2005-12-12 14:20 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Description lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2004-10-07 20:41:49 UTC
Dear friends, with my browser I can not see the page correctly.

For reasons not known to me this site is using both (some of) 
the special characters specific for the Icelandic language 
ÁáÐðÉéÍíÓóÚúÝýÞþÆæÖö and characters coded as "& # nnn ;".

With my browser the characters suposed to be generated 
with "& # nnn ;" are not displayed properly.
This issue cloud be generall for many articles / pages and 
could be corrected either manualy or with a bot, or with a 
code correction (if this behavior is a bug).

According to me there are some content errors as well 
(depending if old or new ortography was intended to be used; 
to my knowledge in old writing additional characters where 
available too). 

The article (and maybe similar articles if the change was 
made by a bot / code change in the past) should be reworked / 
verified because
Fljótsdœla saga 
Grœnlendinga saga 
Hœnsa-Þóris saga 
Laxdœla saga 
Reykdœla saga ok Víga-Skútu 
Svarfdœla saga 
Vatnsdœla saga 
using all "œ" = HTML "oelig" sould probably use "æ" = 
HTML "aelig" .

Regardless of what solution is chosen I kindly ask you to 
send me feedback with a recommendion what is allowed / 
supported /recommended and what not.

Regards Reinhardt
Comment 1 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2004-10-07 20:47:47 UTC
Add CC: Thanks!
Comment 2 Brion Vibber 2004-10-07 21:54:13 UTC
There seems to be some use of œ and numbered unicode characters outside of the latin-1 range. These characters, written as 
named or numbered character references, are fine in text on the Latin-1-based English wikipedia ( but do not 
produce legal links because those characters do not exist in Latin-1 (ISO-8859-1).

The page should be cleaned up by editors.
Comment 3 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2004-10-07 23:20:54 UTC
Dear friends, I received feedback from w:en:User:Io on 
w:en:User_talk:Gangleri . Following his advice I installed Mozilla /5.0 
(Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1;rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041001 Firefox/0.10.1 .

With Mozilla I could see the characters mentioned wich are old 
Icelandic characters and looks like a combination of "O" / "o" and "," 
as this looks like for the French "Ç" / "ç" . The usage of the 
other "OElig" / "oelig" characters "Œ" / "œ" instead of 
characters "Æ" / "æ" (used in modern Iceland now for these saga names) 
in the text is intended by authors (because they refer to original 

I agree with Brion not to use these characters as articles names / 
links. Nevertheless there may be still the need to use the 
[[transliterated_article_name|original_article_name]]. At the moment 
[[Vǫlsunga saga]] is redirected anyhow to [[Völsunga saga]] using 
actual (not ancient) Icelandic characters.

   Additional note: The bug with the use of "#redirect" (all lowercase 
leters) instead of "#REDIRECT" (all capital leters) wil be reported as 
a separate bug.

I want to point out that because many site visitors are using MS IE 
these charecters may not be visible with the coding in the article with 
the actual interpretation / handling by wiki software.

Regards Reinhardt
Comment 4 Brion Vibber 2005-10-29 01:36:00 UTC
Considering this resolved; everything got converted to UTF-8 and the funky Windows-
CP1252 stuff got converted more or less correctly. The given page from the date of 
filing seems to display ok in IE 6 now.
Comment 5 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2005-12-12 10:40:40 UTC
chanded url using &oldid, changed product, component, etc.

This is FIXED as [[en:]] is UTF-8 now.
Ǫ and ǫ are rendereding properly
[[Vǫlsunga saga]] generates properly [[Vǫlsunga saga]] (page does not exist) is a
[[Ǫrvar-Odds saga]] generates properly [[Ǫrvar-Odds saga]]

The database contains some deleted pages (redirects?)

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