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Bug 4270 - Update of the ch-portal for Switzerland
Update of the ch-portal for Switzerland
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: Wikimedia
Classification: Unclassified
General/Unknown (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal normal with 3 votes (vote)
: ---
Assigned To: Brion Vibber
http://www.wikimedia.org/ch-portal/
:
Depends on:
Blocks:
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Reported: 2005-12-14 06:47 UTC by Melancholie
Modified: 2006-02-15 22:57 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

See Also:
Web browser: ---
Mobile Platform: ---
Assignee Huggle Beta Tester: ---


Attachments
Do not use this version! (6.98 KB, text/plain)
2005-12-14 07:13 UTC, Melancholie
Details
The new ch-portal (bug free ;-) (5.94 KB, patch)
2005-12-15 23:51 UTC, Melancholie
Details
With Fixed image (using Commons) (5.95 KB, patch)
2005-12-16 00:12 UTC, Melancholie
Details
New one with fixed css (bypassing cache effect) (5.96 KB, patch)
2005-12-16 00:39 UTC, Melancholie
Details
Bugfix (&ctype); minor tweaks (6.08 KB, patch)
2006-01-22 23:22 UTC, Melancholie
Details
Same bugfix; further tweaks (ch->de) (6.08 KB, patch)
2006-01-23 05:58 UTC, Melancholie
Details
Added a link to Wikimedia-CH; minor improvements (6.61 KB, patch)
2006-01-29 22:12 UTC, Melancholie
Details
W3C validated version of #1330 (6.78 KB, patch)
2006-02-01 01:16 UTC, Melancholie
Details

Description Melancholie 2005-12-14 06:47:57 UTC
The Swiss ch-portal at http://www.wikimedia.org/ch-portal/ 
needs to be updated urgently. We (als.wikipedia) have been 
trying to find someone who can do so for months already! You 
can copy the new html file from there easily: http://als.
wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CH-
Portal&action=raw&ctype=text/css

'Attention': Do not copy and paste the tags <pre> and </pre> 
at the top and the bottom ;-)

If you want to check the voting about that: http://de.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:
WikiProjekt_Schweiz#Auf_ch-portal_fehlt_Schweizerdeutsch.
2FAlemannisch

Hopefully and with best regards, als:user:Melancholie
Comment 1 Melancholie 2005-12-14 07:13:49 UTC
Created attachment 1186 [details]
Do not use this version!

Attachment that should be used instead of the given link (due to a cache
problem of the link)
Comment 2 Antoine "hashar" Musso (WMF) 2005-12-14 20:39:40 UTC
File are on zwinger:/home/wikipedia/htdocs/wikimedia/ch-portal/

Maybe they should be made available through meta: just like
www.wikipedia.org ?

Comment 3 Melancholie 2005-12-15 09:19:38 UTC
Yes, this could be a good idea. What is important for me 
is, that the ch-portal (and the other portals) can be 
changed and updated by new languages for example within 
at least some days (if a sysop should be necessary). But 
we of the alemannic Wikipedia are trying and waiting for 
a update for many months now! Otherwise there should be 
a point of reference, where someone can ask for those 
changes. Currently nobody seems to feel responsible for 
doing so.

With best regards, als:user:Melancholie
Comment 4 Rob Church 2005-12-15 13:43:55 UTC
And asking in the Wikimedia IRC channel or on the mailing list hasn't worked?
Comment 5 Clemens Kienzle 2005-12-15 14:11:23 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> And asking in the Wikimedia IRC channel or on the mailing list hasn't worked?
When we asked on the mailing list, the person we thought responsible replied that 
it's nice to ask him but that he isn't responsible; we should write to the German 
Wikimedia. When you do that, they say that they have forwarded the request, 
nothing happens, you write again, and get an angry response saying that that's all 
they can do.
Comment 6 Brion Vibber 2005-12-15 19:52:54 UTC
Where do these portals come from? :P

Under what circumstances would anyone come across it? Where is it shown?
Comment 7 Brion Vibber 2005-12-15 22:27:02 UTC
This file appears to contain a web bug (offsite tracker),
which endangers the privacy of visitors to this page.
Will not add.
Comment 8 Melancholie 2005-12-15 23:21:00 UTC
(In reply to comment #7)
> Will not add.

Quite the same tracker is used in the nl-
portal, so why not in the ch-portal? Where 
is the problem of using an external web 
counter?

Questions: If you type in "www.wikipedia.ch" 
you are redirected to that portal!
Comment 9 Melancholie 2005-12-15 23:22:43 UTC
BTW: also if you type in "www.wikipedia.li"
Comment 10 Rob Church 2005-12-15 23:25:39 UTC
I quote Avar, "looks like these trackers need to be killed." If on Wikimedia
servers, then I agree wholeheartedly; and if not, then the affiliation needs to
disappear. We don't LIKE those sorts of things.
Comment 11 Melancholie 2005-12-15 23:36:40 UTC
"Privacy of visitors": But then you must not 
use http://wikimedia.org/stats/de.
wiktionary.org and http://www2.knams.
wikimedia.org, too! Where is the difference? 
Why not use an external one (there is stored 
the same data, only)?
Comment 12 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2005-12-15 23:39:19 UTC
(In reply to comment #8)
> (In reply to comment #7)
> > Will not add.
> 
> Quite the same tracker is used in the nl-
> portal, so why not in the ch-portal? Where 
> is the problem of using an external web 
> counter?

The tracker was also used in the be portal and has now been removed from be and
nl. The problem with is is loading offsite Javascript.

Comment 13 Brion Vibber 2005-12-15 23:39:38 UTC
The unauthorized third-party trackers have been removed from the nl and be portals; thanks for 
letting us know about them.

A third-party tracker reveals the network address, browser information, time, and potentially 
other sensitive information to a third party who we don't know and don't have any agreement with 
about the handling of personally-identifiable information. Further, this tracks passive page 
views, not active edits by consenting contributors.
Comment 14 Melancholie 2005-12-15 23:46:39 UTC
Comment on attachment 1186 [details]
Do not use this version!

false one
Comment 15 Melancholie 2005-12-15 23:51:48 UTC
Created attachment 1197 [details]
The new ch-portal (bug free ;-)

this one is ok!
Comment 16 Melancholie 2005-12-15 23:55:48 UTC
Old attachment: I didn't consider the 
problems of an external web counter, sorry 
for this! I hope I did not annoy you with 
this, it was just well-meant. --- Best 
regards, Melancholie
Comment 17 Brion Vibber 2005-12-16 00:00:12 UTC
Thanks. It still seems to be broken though; it's missing the background and logo,
and the GFDL logo link seems to go to a 404 page.
Comment 18 Melancholie 2005-12-16 00:03:47 UTC
No, when uploaded to the server (where the 
current file is) it will work (see file 
locations of the images)! --- Best 
regards, Melancholie
Comment 19 Melancholie 2005-12-16 00:06:50 UTC
Oops, yes the GNU-fdl does not work since 
today! I will correct this too, of course. 
Sorry again, but it did work yesterday! --- 
Best regards, Melancholie
Comment 20 Melancholie 2005-12-16 00:12:02 UTC
Created attachment 1198 [details]
With Fixed image (using Commons)
Comment 21 Brion Vibber 2005-12-16 00:27:30 UTC
Well, I did try it on the server, and there's background or central Wikipedia logo.

http://www.wikimedia.org/ch-portal/index.html
vs
http://www.wikimedia.org/ch-portal/index.new.html
Comment 22 Melancholie 2005-12-16 00:39:00 UTC
Created attachment 1199 [details]
New one with fixed css (bypassing cache effect)
Comment 23 Melancholie 2005-12-16 00:47:54 UTC
Oh my god, I cannot say 'sorry' enough 
times. This last problem was caused by the 
cache effect of the css file. So it would 
have worked in some hours; unacceptable, 
yes. But now it works (due to a direct link 
to the files, not just 'headbg.png') --- 
Best regards, your time-waster Melancholie ;
-)
Comment 24 Brion Vibber 2005-12-16 02:40:00 UTC
Ok, that one seems to work. :)

Applied file to server.
Comment 25 Melancholie 2006-01-22 23:22:08 UTC
Created attachment 1319 [details]
Bugfix (&ctype); minor tweaks
Comment 26 Melancholie 2006-01-22 23:39:41 UTC
1. Bugfix for Gecko; see above
2. BTW: Why does http://www.wikipedia.ch/ redirect to 
http://www.wikimedia.org/ch-portal// (with double "//" 
at the end)? It should redirect to http://www.wikimedia.
org/ch-portal/ instead, I think (more neatly).
Comment 27 Melancholie 2006-01-23 05:53:48 UTC
Comment on attachment 1319 [details]
Bugfix (&ctype); minor tweaks

><HTML><BODY TEXT="#000000"><PRE><?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
>
><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="de" lang="de" dir="ltr">
>

>
><!-- Siehe: http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CH-Portal -->
>
><!-- Version: Januar 2006 -->
>

>
><head>
>
> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
>

>
>  <meta name="keywords" lang="de" content="Wikipedia, Schweiz, Enzyklop&auml;die, frei, Lexikon, Wissen" />
>
>  <meta name="keywords" lang="fr" content="Wikipedia, Suisse, encyclop&eacute;die, libre" />
>
>  <meta name="keywords" lang="it" content="Wikipedia, Svizzera, enciclopedia, libera" />
>
>  <meta name="keywords" lang="rm" content="Wikipedia, Svizra, encyclopedia" />
>
>  <meta name="keywords" lang="en" content="Wikipedia, Switzerland, encyclopedia, free, knowledge" />
>

>
>  <meta name="description" lang="de" content="Das Schweizer Portal von Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklop&auml;die" />
>
>  <meta name="description" lang="fr" content="Wikip&eacute;dia, l'encyclop&eacute;die libre" />
>
>  <meta name="description" lang="it" content="Wikipedia, l'enciclopedia libera" />
>
>  <meta name="description" lang="en" content="Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" />
>

>
>  <meta name="robots" content="index,follow" />
>

>
> <title>Wikipedia.ch (Schweiz, Suisse, Svizzera, Svizra)</title>
>

>
> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="http://als.wikipedia.org/favicon.ico" />
>
> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen,projection" href="http://als.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CH-Portal/style.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css" />
>
> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://als.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CH-Portal/script.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"></script>
>
></head>
>

>

>
><body id="wikipedia-ch">
>
><div>
>

>
><div lang="de" class="left column red-bg field" onclick="golang(this)">
>
> <h1 class="hello">Willkommen!</h1>
>
>  <p class="intro">
>
>  <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/" class="aux"><b>Wikipedia</b> ist eine mehrsprachige <b>Enzyklop&auml;die</b>, deren Inhalte <b>frei</b> nutzbar sind und es f&uuml;r immer bleiben werden. Alle k&ouml;nnen hier ihr Wissen einbringen!</a>
>
>  </p><p>
>
>  <a class="main" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia auf Deutsch</a></p>
>
></div>
>

>
><div lang="fr" class="right column yellow-bg field" onclick="golang(this)">
>
> <h1 class="hello">Bienvenue!</h1>
>
>  <p class="intro">
>
>  <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/" class="aux"><b>Wikip&eacute;dia</b> est un projet d'<b>encyclop&eacute;die</b> gratuite, &eacute;crite <b>coop&eacute;rativement</b> et dont le contenu est librement r&eacute;utilisable. Vous pouvez y participer tout de suite!</a>
>
>  </p><p>
>
>  <a class="main" href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/">Wikip&eacute;dia en fran&ccedil;ais</a></p>
>
></div>
>

>
><a id="logo" href="http://www.wikipedia.org/"></a>
>

>
><div lang="it" class="left column green-bg field" onclick="golang(this)">
>
> <h1 class="hello">Benvenuto!</h1>
>
>  <p class="intro">
>
>  <a href="http://it.wikipedia.org/" class="aux"><b>Wikipedia</b> &egrave; un progetto di <b>enciclopedia libera</b>, scritta collaborativamente, il cui contenuto &egrave; liberamente riutilizzabile. Anche tu puoi parteciparvi!</a>
>
>  </p><p>
>
>  <a class="main" href="http://it.wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia in italiano</a></p>
>
></div>
>

>
><div lang="als" class="right column purple-bg field" onclick="golang(this)">
>
> <h1 class="hello">Willkomme!</h1>
>
>  <p><a href="http://als.wikipedia.org/" class="aux"><small>Wikipedia isch e freyi Enziklop&auml;dy!</small></a></p>
>
>  <p><a class="main" href="http://als.wikipedia.org/"><small>Wikipedia uf Alemannisch (Schwyzerd&uuml;tsch)</small></a></p>
>
> <h1 class="hello">Bainvegni!</h1>
>
>  <p><a href="http://rm.wikipedia.org/" class="aux"><small>Wikipedia &egrave; ina encyclopedia libra!</small></a></p>
>
>  <p><a class="main" href="http://rm.wikipedia.org/"><small>Wikipedia en rumantsch</small></a></p>
>
></div>
>

>

>
><br />
>
><div id="search">
>
><form id="fsearch" action="" method="get" accept-charset="utf-8">
>
><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>
>  makefield( 'Wort &ndash; mot &ndash; parola &ndash; word');
>
>  makebutton( 'de',  'red-bg',    'Nachschlagen');
>
>  makebutton( 'fr',  'yellow-bg', 'Consulter');
>
>  makebutton( 'it', 'green-bg',  'Cerca');
>
>  makebutton( 'en',  'purple-bg', 'Search');
>
>  //-->
>
></script>
>
></form>
>
></div>
>

>

>
><div id="others">
>
> <p>
>
>  <span lang="de" class="otherstitle">Wikipedia <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sprachen">in anderen Sprachen</a></span>
>
>  <span lang="fr" class="otherstitle">Wikip&eacute;dia dans d'autres langues</span>
>
>  <span lang="it" class="otherstitle">Wikipedia in altre lingue</span>
>
> </p>
>
> <p><!-- andere Sprachen -->
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://da.wikipedia.org/">Dansk</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/">Espa&ntilde;ol</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://eo.wikipedia.org/">Esperanto</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/">Nederlands</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://pl.wikipedia.org/">Polaco</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://pt.wikipedia.org/">Portugu&eacute;s</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/">Svenska</a><br /></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://ja.wikipedia.org/">&#26085;&#26412;&#35486; (Japanisch)</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://zh.wikipedia.org/">&#20013;&#25991; (Chinesisch)</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://el.wikipedia.org/">&Epsilon;&lambda;&lambda;&eta;&nu;&iota;&kappa;&#940; (Griechisch)</a></span>
>
>  <span class="other"><a href="http://he.wikipedia.org/">&#1506;&#1489;&#1512;&#1497;&#1514; (Hebr&auml;isch)</a></span>
>
> </p>
>
></div>
>

>

>
><div id="footer">
>
> <div class="left banner"><a href="http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Gnu-fdl.png" alt="GNU-FDL"/></a></div>
>
> <div class="right banner"><a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/"><img src="http://als.wikipedia.org/images/wikimedia-button.png" alt="Wikimedia Foundation"/></a></div>
>
></div>
>

>
></div>
>
></body>
>
></html>
Comment 28 Melancholie 2006-01-23 05:58:51 UTC
Created attachment 1320 [details]
Same bugfix; further tweaks (ch->de)
Comment 29 Melancholie 2006-01-25 09:48:01 UTC
Changing severity to "major", because the current html 
on the server looks 'pretty' ugly when using Firefox (FF 
doesn't fetch css/js)!
Comment 30 Brion Vibber 2006-01-25 10:07:46 UTC
Uploaded updates from attachment 1320 [details]. Confirmed problem with Firefox (mime types were wrong)
Comment 31 Melancholie 2006-01-29 22:12:11 UTC
Created attachment 1330 [details]
Added a link to Wikimedia-CH; minor improvements
Comment 32 Melancholie 2006-01-29 22:15:36 UTC
1. Please upload new html file; see #31
2. BTW: Why does http://www.wikipedia.ch/ redirect to 
http://www.wikimedia.org/ch-portal// (with double "//" 
at the end)? It should redirect to http://www.wikimedia.
org/ch-portal/ instead, I think (more neatly)
Comment 33 Melancholie 2006-02-01 01:16:14 UTC
Created attachment 1338 [details]
W3C validated version of #1330

Please have a look on comment #32, too.
Comment 34 Brion Vibber 2006-02-01 01:33:19 UTC
Updated file. I'm not sure what's up with the redirect oddity; it might or might not be 
an artifact of the redirect being indirected; I've adjusted it to look more like the 
wikipedia.nl redirect, which doesn't suffer from this, but I'm not 100% sure it works. 
(May be cache issues too.)
Comment 35 Melancholie 2006-02-15 02:51:26 UTC
Some changed the swiss portal back to a totally obsolete 
version, without writing why! He/she didn't contact the 
current central point of reference:
[[als:Wikipedia:CH-Portal]]
This address is given by a html comment at the top.

As long as the person who did this doesn't contact 
anybody, it would be nice if someone could change the 
portal back to the attachment with the ID 1338.

Can you see who that was? If yes, could you ask him why 
he/she did this?
Comment 36 Brion Vibber 2006-02-15 02:56:59 UTC
Please don't make wild claims about evil people.
We're currently limping along on an old copy of various site
files while recovering servers.
Comment 37 Melancholie 2006-02-15 03:05:28 UTC
Oh, sorry! But I could not know that.

To understand my first assumption, you have to know, 
that it took us many many weeks until the als.Wikipedia 
got accepted for beeing shown in this portal and months 
until it finally was implemented.

I feel sorry, but I really didn't know that the 
recovering of servers could be the reason.

With best regards, [[als:Melancholie]]
Comment 38 Rob Church 2006-02-15 16:07:29 UTC
...we're all vicious vindictive bastards who sit around waiting to mark bugs
WONTFIX and reverting people's changes whenever we can.
Comment 39 Melancholie 2006-02-15 22:57:33 UTC
Ah, that explains a lot ;-)

By way of conversation: The "//" disfigurement was still 
there during the last weeks; see comment #32

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