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Bug 9913 - Transcluding a template which does not exist is sometimes treated as speedy-delete tagging
Transcluding a template which does not exist is sometimes treated as speedy-d...
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
General/Unknown (Other open bugs)
unspecified
PC Windows 98
: Lowest normal with 1 vote (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2007-05-14 19:32 UTC by Anthony Appleyard
Modified: 2011-03-13 18:05 UTC (History)
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Description Anthony Appleyard 2007-05-14 19:32:43 UTC
I am an admin in the English Wikipedia. Sometimes an English Wikipedia page
which tries to transclude a template which does not exist, is treated as if it
was in one of the to-be-speedy-deleted categories, and appears in the
to-be-speedy-deleted list, although it contains no {{db-...}} tag. If I create
the non-existent template as {{}} (i.e. a dummy template), the affected page no
longer appears in the to-be-speedy-deleted list.
Comment 1 Rob Church 2007-05-14 20:29:20 UTC
Example?
Comment 2 Anthony Appleyard 2007-05-14 21:21:01 UTC
On 13 May 2007 I was going through the to-be-speedy-deleted lists. The list
(catalog) for db-author contained several files in a user's filespace. Those
files did not have a speedy-delete tag, but they were allegedly in
[[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user]]. I looked at one of them in
edit mode. The list of transcluded templates at the end included two red names,
for nonexistent templates: one of them was [[User:The Haunted Angel/General
Userboxes]]. I created those two templates as dummy templates {{}} . I refreshed
the display of [[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user]], and those
spuriously listed files went away.

Later that day I found that [[User:The Haunted Angel/General Userboxes]] had
existed before and shortly before this someone deleted it "CSD G7: Author
Requests Deletion", although it did not contain a speedy-delete tag.

I have had similar cases before. That is why, when I delete a speedied page, I
always read it to check that it does contain a speedy-delete tag.
Comment 3 Anthony Appleyard 2007-05-14 21:21:20 UTC
On 13 May 2007 I was going through the to-be-speedy-deleted lists. The list
(catalog) for db-author contained several files in a user's filespace. Those
files did not have a speedy-delete tag, but they were allegedly in
[[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user]]. I looked at one of them in
edit mode. The list of transcluded templates at the end included two red names,
for nonexistent templates: one of them was [[User:The Haunted Angel/General
Userboxes]]. I created those two templates as dummy templates {{}} . I refreshed
the display of [[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user]], and those
spuriously listed files went away.

Later that day I found that [[User:The Haunted Angel/General Userboxes]] had
existed before and shortly before this someone deleted it "CSD G7: Author
Requests Deletion", although it did not contain a speedy-delete tag.

I have had similar cases before. That is why, when I delete a speedied page, I
always read it to check that it does contain a speedy-delete tag.
Comment 4 Aaron Schulz 2007-05-14 21:37:24 UTC
Please give a repeatable set of instructions to duplicate this behavoir.
Comment 5 Anthony Appleyard 2007-05-14 22:15:29 UTC
I do not know that it is reliably repeatable. It "happens sometimes". OK, I
know, intermittent faults are a nuisance. But it happens sometimes.
Comment 6 Anthony Appleyard 2007-05-14 22:17:17 UTC
It seems to happen when a file tries to transclude a template which has been
recently deleted. 
Comment 7 ChemicalBit 2007-05-15 17:44:47 UTC
A way to duplicate this behaviour (although it's a intermittent trouble, so this
way doesn't work every time) is:

*Create a page A
*Create a page B (for example a template, or a subpage)
*Edit page A and transclude page B in it.
*Edit page B and add (transclude) the template (let's call it C) that request
speedy-deleting. (without noinclude instuction)
*As template C add a <includeonly>[[Category:X]]</includeonly> instuction, both
A and B pages are showed in the category:X page (which lists all the page marked
for speedy-deleting.
*Delete the B page.
*Now the A page may be still listed in the category:X page (may = it's a
intermittent trouble)
*If you look at the A page, there is no category:X sign at the botton.
*Page A will goes away from category:X after an indeterminate time. 


Further information: 

*the time of "phantom" staying in Category:X is inteterminate. Pages go out
without a "First in, first out" way: (In a test of our, a page B-2 was delteted
some hours after the deletion of B-1. A-2 (related to B-2) went out after less
than 1 hour, but A-1 (related to B-1) were still there!!)
*I have not checked if the trouble may sometime happends if template C is
transcluded in B page with a noinclude. We can test it, if you think that this
could be usefull.
*I can rememember some trouble like this some time ago (even months and months,
I think) , but it looks like that these troubles have become more frequent in
the last week).
*Tests done on it.wikpedia.org

Comment 8 Brion Vibber 2007-05-15 17:51:06 UTC
This is to be expected when you mark templates as speedy.

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