Last modified: 2014-11-17 10:15:49 UTC
"Our logos are teh suck." Vectorize 'em all or burninate with fire. [This does not apply to Wikipedia logos as much as to other projects'. Wikipedia logos are being kept track of at <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nemo_bis/Wikipedia>, all others are listed at <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos>.]
Ok, let's organize the work to fix this bug with the help of Google Code-in students: I have already proposed to a student to vectorize the missing WIKIPEDIA logos, following Nemo's page: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5778687907594240 Please help the student with any questions he might have. Also may I ask you to file new bugs depending on this one for other chunks of tasks e.g. Vectorize the remaining Wiktionary logos? I can create GCI tasks mapping these bug reports (although the best would be that Pau / Brandon would create them), but being a GCI org admin I don't have enough time/attention to find out which are the specific tasks remaining. Thank you! With your help and the work of GCI students we can get this problem solved for good.
Is this a plural you, or a singular you aimed explicitly at me, or at Nemo? (Let's clear up any potential confusion in case no one steps up to this task; it'll also be easier to !blame people in case anything breaks.)
Also, unless your students want to go chasing community members for information about translations or font details, then the only Wikipedia logo that can be fixed for good is the Ladino one, which needs adding a translated version of "Wikipedia" and "The Free Encyclopedia" written in the Hebrew script. I'd much rather like them to focus on creating vector versions for logos of projects other than Wikipedia and Wiktionary; <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos> has a list of the missing logos.
Thank you for your quick reply! By "you" I mean "not me". :) Please organize yourselves in the way you prefer. Scanning https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos I see basically * Missing logos of projects in Incubator. Are these supposed to be vectorized as well? * Red links to SVG files next to red links to PNG files (that I guess exist somewhere). Any other cases? The task could be: Provide 5 SVG logos that are currently missing at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos Students could choose which 5, and we could reopen the task as soon as a student has completed it, until we are done. How should the new logos be contributed? Gerrit patch for each, including the change in the wiki configuration? Is there a wiki page or a bug report describing which repository needs to be modified? Thank you again.
* [1] No, projects in the Incubator phase do not need vectorized logos. (They generally receive them once they exit that phase and become 'regular' projects with their own domains.) * [2] Red links to SVG files mean that either (1) there is no SVG equivalent to an existing PNG logo, (2) there is no local logo at all, or (3) the project uses a local logo under a name that differs from the accepted naming format. In each case, the students should visit each project to confirm that they are using localised logos, and if so, proceed with creation of SVG versions. (It's a waste of time to create localised logos if communities don't want them.) ---- New logos should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons using the same naming format used by other projects in the same family, such as Wikinews-logo-ro.svg, Wikiquote-logo-lt.svg, etc. (it's all explained at the top of that page). There is currently no need to submit any Gerrit patches; we can submit multiple logos in one patch after GCI is finished, and at least some communities would need to be consulted before we do that anyway.
(In reply to comment #2) > Is this a plural you, or a singular you aimed explicitly at me, or at Nemo? > > (Let's clear up any potential confusion in case no one steps up to this task; > it'll also be easier to !blame people in case anything breaks.) In fact I have just invited Tomasz to become a GCI mentor. For some weird legal reasons GCI doesn't accept Italian participants... like Nemo. The ideal setup here would be that Tomasz and Nemo could coordinate the SVG-logos meta-bug. If Tomasz is a mentor then you would be fully autonomous. I really believe that GCI students can fix completely all the logos of all the SVG related bug reports before the end of the program in January, with just a bit of organization here.
Hello there, this is Yuan Siang, the GCI student who has claimed this task. After reading through the discussion I would like to clarify, is my task to provide 5 missing SVG logos on the /logos page, or is this still in the process of discussion? Thanks! Yuan Siang
5 logos seem like a reasonable amount of work to fit in 2-3 hours, so I'd say go ahead.
Hi there, I have completed the 5 logos! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-es-new.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-lad.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-oc.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-sq-new.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-tr-new.svg
(In reply to comment #9) > Hi there, I have completed the 5 logos! Thanks! I'm assigning this to your mentor Brandon for now, he'll let you know if they're ok or the ball is still your court.
Yuan, I will close this task since you have delivered genuine SVG files, and you had to wait for us to sort out this task. Thank you! Now, for the veteran contributors following this task... From these logos, only one is a pure replica: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-oc.svg However, this is because the other ones are variations from "the norm" (if there is any norm here). Are we supposed to keep the status quo with these SVG updates or are we also taking the chance to harmonize logos? (In reply to comment #9) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-es-new.svg This one is not a replica, because the current PNG has a different footer: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spanish_Wiktionary.png ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NewLogoWikcEs.PNG also exists, with better resolution, but the phonetic string is different ) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-sq-new.svg This is not a replica, because the current PNG changed the characters of the logo. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-sq.png > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-tr-new.svg This is not a replica, also because one of the characters in the logo is changed. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-tr.png > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-lad.svg (This one is from a project in the incubator. Note to self: this shows that we need to provide precise instructions to GCI students)
(In reply to comment #11) > However, this is because the other ones are variations from "the norm" (if > there is any norm here). Are we supposed to keep the status quo with these > SVG updates or are we also taking the chance to harmonize logos? There is no such thing as "logo harmonization" when it comes to Wiktionary. Each project chooses (and most already /have/ chosen) their own logo, generally out of the three main designs available (the 'text' logo, the 'tiles' logo, and the 'open dictionary' logo; see <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo#Logo_use_statistics>). Logos can therefore be changed if, and only if, there is proper community consensus to do so; most Wiktionary logos were already harmonized with bug 4320 which was preceded by community consultation, so there's very little to be done. And that's why comment 3 said that "I'd like GCI students to focus on creating vector versions for logos of projects other than Wikipedia and Wiktionary."
(In reply to comment #12) > And that's why comment 3 said that "I'd like GCI students to focus on > creating > vector versions for logos of projects other than Wikipedia and Wiktionary." Oook, sorry for the mistake. One last question: many projects are missing any localization e.g. https://ja.wikiversity.org/ . Should we skip those as well as the Wikipedia & Wiktionary projects or should we consider the localization of these logos as a GCI task as well? Once this is clear I will create GCI tasks with clear descriptions to avoid more mistakes.
If there is a translation available at Cbrown1023's meta page (see <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos#Wikiversity> for Japanese Wikiversity), then the logos can be added as GCI tasks (with the exception of Wikipedia and Wiktionary projects).
I have just created http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5787609762627584 Let's see how it goes. Once we are confident that the process is smooth for Google Code-in students we can open more tasks simultaneously.
Hi there, I have just started on the task but I realise I am having some trouble determining the fonts of the foreign languages. May I know if there is any place where information about the fonts and such are stored, or do I look for the people working on each project for this info? Thanks!
Ideally font information should be located at the appropriate file description pages, but I can see that is not the case with Wikibooks logos. If you use Chrome, you can identify where the file description is located by right-clicking on the logo, and choosing the "Inspect element" option from the menu. URLs like "upload.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/zh/0/06/Wiki_zh-hant.png" mean that the file is located on the local Wikibooks project, with the file name "Wiki_zh-hant.png" (so you can see the description page at <https://zh.wikibooks.org/wiki/File:Wiki_zh-hant.png>); URLs like "upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Wikibooks-logo-th.png" mean the file is located on Wikimedia Commons, with the file name "Wikibooks-logo-th.png" (<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-th.png>), etc. If no font information is given on the file description page, the best and fastest way is to try to reach the uploader; their usernames are visible in the "File history" section if you scroll down a bit. That said, I suggest to remove the Korean Wikibooks logo from the GCI task, since <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-ko-new.svg> exist, having been uploaded on November 8, 2013.
[[m:Logo]] -> [[m:Wikibooks/Logo/Update]] etc., needs some digging and sometimes creativity.
Google Code-in students have a time pressure to finish their tasks. We can't propose GCI tasks that rely on the feedback of people that we don't know whether they will respond e.g. someone that designed a logo years ago. Yuan, please try to find the font information. Try hard. If you don't succeed, just use a free font (important!) able to display the original text. All the better if has a similar look to the original. At the very least you have a repository of fonts used by Wikimedia at https://git.wikimedia.org/history/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FUniversalLanguageSelector.git/HEAD/data%2Ffontrepo%2Ffonts In the description of the file you will need to add the font used and (if it's not the same as the original) a short summary of your research and your decision. If you have problems finding an appropriate font, please report here and we will help you. This was a good observation. I will improve the instructions in future GCI tasks.
I can create more GCI tasks like http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5787609762627584 if someone can list the URLs of projects needing SVG logos, just like this: http://zh.wikibooks.org/ http://ko.wikibooks.org/ http://th.wikibooks.org/ http://ta.wikibooks.org/ http://ka.wikibooks.org/ Finding these URLs at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023 is not rocket science but it is a bit time consuming and, as we can see, prone to error by outsiders in a rush like me. I'm acting as proxy mentor of many GCI tasks. List URLs here and I will create new tasks. Thank you.
Hi there, I had quite some difficulties with the logos this time but here they are: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-ZH.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-TH.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-TA.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-OC.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-IE.svg I tried to manually identify the font for the logos, but I was completely unable to find an appropriate font for the Georgian logo and so I decided to do up one for another language.. So sorry about this, I hope it's fine! Also, since Korean was already taken up I replaced it with another one. I have also annotated the logos with the fonts I used. Do let me know if there are further actions I should take. Thanks!
Thanks Yuan, this looks great. I'll take the liberty to fix the on-wiki description pages for you (no one expects you to get them 100% OK the first time, and you've done really well anyway). Just out of curiosity, why does <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-OC.svg> have a lower-cased "i" letter instead of upper-cased one like the rest of the logos? I also think you might have forgotten to convert the subline text to path before uploading it to Commons, as it doesn't look like Bitstream Charter like the rest of the (Latin-alphabet) logos.
Thanks Tomasz! I'll try to take note of the proper way to do up the descriptions. For the Occitan version of the logo, I was trying my best to emulate the png version logo here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-oc.png Should I convert the svg version to Bitstream Charter? Thanks!
(In reply to comment #23) > Should I convert the svg version to Bitstream Charter? Thanks! Yes, please do. Then we can consider your task closed. In normal circumstances we would have wished that you find just any Georgian font and provide the logo requested (or that you would discuss further here), but on the other hand it is also true that we still need to improve the documentation of this type of task. Thank you!
Tomasz/Nemo, could you please identify the projects URLs for a next GCI task, just in case Yuan or any of the favicon fixers wants to keep working on this? Now we have many contributors with the right skills around. Let's have more tasks for them before they leave for another project with UX tasks.
Errmm... this bug's for vectorizing logos, not re-creating favicons... If you want me to check which projects need new .svg logos, I think I can do that.
(In reply to comment #26) > Errmm... this bug's for vectorizing logos, not re-creating favicons... I mean that a student interested in a favicon might be also interested in an SVG file. > If you want me to check which projects need new .svg logos, I think I can do > that. Yes, please. I'm already involved in too many other GCI areas. Thank you!
Hi, I've made the necessary changes to the Occitan Wikibooks logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-OC.svg Also, I've come up with an SVG version of the Georgian Wikibooks logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-KA.svg However, it looks very different from the png version on the site. Thanks!
Thanks Yuan, the logos look fine (I even think the Georgian one looks better than the existing PNG version, but I'll left it to be judged by the Georgian Wikibooks community). I think Yuan's task can be marked as finished -- I'll try to provide 5 more links for a new one in a moment.
OK, let's get going: * https://cs.wikiversity.org -- the font used is Gill Sans, and the English logo is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg * https://az.wikisource.org * https://bs.wikisource.org * https://ca.wikisource.org * https://et.wikisource.org The font used for Wikisource logos is Linux Libertine O Capitals, and you can use https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fr.svg as your blueprint.
I should also mention that Linux Libertine O Capitals can be downloaded from https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/5f/LinLibertineO_473.zip -- see https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks/Word_mark_creation/howto_W for instructions on producing the Wikipedia "W" character.
(In reply to comment #30) > * https://ca.wikisource.org Funny, guess who fixed this one a couple of weeks ago, before even knowing about this bug report or CBrown's wiki page. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-ca-label.svg I'm commuting with a weak connection, and the page with all the logos won't load. Please identify a 5th project and I will create the task. Thank you again. PS: Yuan, I just closed your task. Thank you for completing it, even going an extra mile!
(In reply to comment #32) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-ca-label.svg See, you didn't categorize that file properly, not to mention the weird file name you choose, which does not follow the usual naming scheme "project-logo-lang.svg"; that's why I couldn't find it! Let's take https://fi.wikisource.org as the fifth project.
Task created, and already claimed by a student: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5877102653997056 More wood, this is GCI! :)
I tried to follow the naming scheme when uploading the picture but it said the name was already taken by another file and linked to the png version of this logo. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiversity-logo-cs-svg.svg I'll be finishing the other 4 logos over the next few days.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-et.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-az-svg.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fi-svg.svg I once again had problems following the naming scheme on two of the logos when I used the UploadWizard because of an already existing logo with the same name. I was also wondering if I had to remake this logo on this page https://bs.wikisource.org/wiki/Po%C4%8Detna_strana That page is currently using the english logo that says Wikisource.
I went ahead and created a logo using the text I saw on the page. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bs.svg I'll remake it if it is unsatisfactory.
If you pick new translations which are not yet on [[m:User:Cbrown1023/Logos]], please add them to that table. Thanks.
@Thomas: This looks like some sort of a bug to me, because at the time of upload, files like "Wikisource-logo-az.svg" did not exist; I only just moved your files to those names. @Nemo: The Bosnian translation, is already there. @Quim: Time to close Thomas's task and start a new one?
(In reply to comment #39) > @Quim: Time to close Thomas's task and start a new one? Task closed. Thank you Thomas! Tomasz, I think we could create a new task as soon as someone claims an existing one. This way we go from single thread to multi-thread, still avoiding doing a lot of work at once, creating tasks and reviewing them.
Should we open a new bug and add it as a blocker for this one? I mean, we've just reached the milestone of 40 comments here, \o/ In any case, here are five more logos for Wikisource projects that need creating in SVG: * https://ht.wikisource.org * https://hu.wikisource.org * https://is.wikisource.org * https://la.wikisource.org * https://li.wikisource.org Suggestions from comment 30 and comment 31 apply to these logos, too.
(In reply to comment #41) > Should we open a new bug and add it as a blocker for this one? I mean, we've > just reached the milestone of 40 comments here, \o/ Is it really needed? This approach made sense to me for one-favicon tass because Gerrit was also involved. If you really think that splitting into more bugs make sense then maybe a good compromise would be to have one bug for each type of project: Wikibooks, Wikisource... > In any case, here are five more logos for Wikisource projects that need > creating in SVG: > > * https://ht.wikisource.org > * https://hu.wikisource.org > * https://is.wikisource.org > * https://la.wikisource.org > * https://li.wikisource.org > > Suggestions from comment 30 and comment 31 apply to these logos, too. Task created http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5894599277019136
(In reply to comment #42) > Task created > > http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5894599277019136 ... and now claimed by Thomas Lam. Could Tomasz or someone select 5 x n projects more to create a new task? Thank you!
* https://lt.wikisource.org * https://mk.wikisource.org * https://sl.wikisource.org * https://sr.wikisource.org * https://tr.wikisource.org Suggestions from comment 30 and comment 31 apply to these logos, too.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-ht.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-hu.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-is-svg.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-la.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-li.svg I was unable to follow the naming scheme for the islandic logo because it told me a page with that name already existed with a link to the png version.
Thomas' logos looked good to me and I decided to close the task, asking him to take any feedback that Tomasz could still have for him. Having all logos Latin characters I didn't expect to have many surprises. He has already taken the new task: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5882190579630080 Therefore we need more 5 x n projects again. Thank you!
* https://th.wikisource.org * https://bg.wikisource.org * https://kn.wikisource.org * https://zh-min-nan.wikisource.org * https://no.wikisource.org Suggestions from comment 30 and comment 31 apply to these logos, too, although I except it might be a bit hard for the non-Latin logos (feel free to report any problems here). As far as the comments on GCI are considered, there's no need to add anything to the table on Meta; if the files follow the suggested name scheme, they will automatically be visible (template magic).
Does it take a while for the logos to show up on there? A few of the ones I've done have shown up while others haven't.
Also for the few logos that don't use the Linux Libertine O Capitals font such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sr.png and https://mk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0:Wiki.png should I try to make it look as similar to those as possible or just use Linux Libertine O Capitals
(In reply to comment #48) > Does it take a while for the logos to show up on there? A few of the ones > I've done have shown up while others haven't. I'm guessing that "there" refers to [[m:User:Cbrown1023/Logos]]. You probably just need to purge the page (i.e., visit <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos?action=purge>).
(In reply to comment #49) > Also for the few logos that don't use the Linux Libertine O Capitals font > should I try to make it look as similar to those as possible or just use > Linux Libertine O Capitals Having drawn a few logos for Cyrillic Wikipedias, I think Linux Libertine O Capitals does include non-Latin (or, at least, Cyrillic) characters; if it doesn't, please do try to make them look as similar as possible.
(In reply to comment #47) > * https://th.wikisource.org > * https://bg.wikisource.org > * https://kn.wikisource.org > * https://zh-min-nan.wikisource.org > * https://no.wikisource.org Task created, and already claimed. We need more projects, please. http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/6454848769753088
* https://bn.wikisource.org * https://el.wikisource.org * https://eo.wikisource.org * https://hy.wikisource.org * https://fa.wikisource.org For the Farsi logo, please use the Nazli font which is available at <http://fa.farsiweb.ir/fawiki/Persian_Fonts>. If the website doesn't work for you (it seems to be dead right now), the font should be available elsewhere.
(In reply to comment #53) > * https://bn.wikisource.org > * https://el.wikisource.org > * https://eo.wikisource.org > * https://hy.wikisource.org > * https://fa.wikisource.org Task created, and already claimed. We need more projects, please. http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/4594595354640384
* https://yi.wikisource.org * https://no.wikinews.org * https://eo.wikinews.org * https://bs.wikinews.org * https://ca.wikinews.org I have no idea what's the font used in the Wikinews logo, perhaps someone else knows that? I had a look at a lot of logos on Commons, but none included that particular information... Will try to research that further.
(In reply to comment #55) > * https://yi.wikisource.org I couldn't find this one under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikisource_logos The white background looks very suspicious... > * https://no.wikinews.org > * https://eo.wikinews.org > * https://bs.wikinews.org > * https://ca.wikinews.org > > I have no idea what's the font used in the Wikinews logo, perhaps someone > else > knows that? I had a look at a lot of logos on Commons, but none included that > particular information... Will try to research that further. I wonder whether a free font was used at the time, and I wonder whether Liberation Sans could fit the task nowadays, in a way that almost nobody would realize the change. Why Liberation Sans: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Typography Anyway, I don't think we should send GCI students to this uncertain task.
(In reply to comment #56) > I couldn't find this one under > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikisource_logos That's because they are using a $stdlogo, located at <https://yi.wikisource.org/wiki/File:Wiki.png>. > I wonder whether a free font was used at the time, and I wonder whether > Liberation Sans could fit the task nowadays, in a way that almost nobody > would realize the change. If it looks like the font used in the Wikinews logo, then sure, let's use it. > Anyway, I don't think we should send GCI students to this uncertain task. If we can find out what the font was real quick, then the task will not be uncertain anymore. And believe me, that's much, much easier than finding out what's the font used for Wikiquote logos -- that one is /really/ complicated. In any case, we're running short of logos -- Wikinews, Wikibooks and two Wikivoyage projects are the only ones left. (And hell yeah, that's a good thing! \o/ )
Another GCI student here, with vectorized versions. Some I had to mark/add the -svg because a .png version was already taking up the namespace. .PNGs are included when the original did not have a .png or a .svg file, so an original one had to be created. Bulgarian: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bg-svg.svg Kanada: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-kn.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-kn.svg Norwegian (Weird color / standardized choice, but this is what the wikipage said): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-svg.svg Southern Min? I can't figure out what language this is, but I'm fairly certain it's southern min, some dialect of Chinese: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.svg Thai: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-th-svg.svg That is all. :D
Tomasz has the last word, but here is some quick feedback. Note that new versions of existing files should be uploaded in the same page, using the link "Upload a new version of this file". Please don't create new pages for these updates. (In reply to comment #58) > Bulgarian: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bg-svg.svg Looks good, but the dimensions of the file aren't the same than the original. If you want to strive for perfection please provide a file with the same dimensions. > Kanada: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-kn.png > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-kn.svg Looks good. > Norwegian (Weird color / standardized choice, but this is what the wikipage > said): > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-svg.svg Yes, and because of this we need a standardized version that simply says "Wikikilden", as specified at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos Sorry for the confusion and the extra work. Luckily the standard version is in regular Latin script and shouldn bring extra work for someone with practice like you now. > Southern Min? I can't figure out what language this is, but I'm fairly > certain > it's southern min, some dialect of Chinese: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.png > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.svg Looks good but the file has the same problem of different dimensions as BG. > Thai: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-th-svg.svg The font you are using is thinner than the version used in the current logo. According to the description in the TH wikisource logos, "The font used is "TH Sarabun New", a public font released by the Government of Thailand." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_fonts > That is all. :D Wait a minute. :) Your descriptions should mention the files and the fonts you have used. This way someone like you will have an easy time understanding, updating or modifying your current versions. You may have seen that the SVG pages you have created contain very visible references to Wikibooks logos in other versions. This is incorrect, of course. Please link to the correct "Other versions", for instance the PNG versions you have created. Also, if you look at the bottom of the page you will see a category "Wikibooks logos", which is also incorrect. The correct category is "Category:SVG Wikisource logos". The Thai version can be added to "Category:Thai Wikisource logo variants" Edit the descriotion and you will see how simple is to fix all this. Thank you!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bn.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bn.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-el.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-el.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fa.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fa.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.png
In relation to comment 60 Natasha said in the GCI task: > See comment #60 in Bugzilla (4/5 links, sorry for the last two links, they are > replicating). > I need special font for Armenian (hy) logo. I asked it from person, who maked > raster logo (http://goo.gl/ScEvMC). As I'll get font, I'll make the logo.
(In reply to comment #59) > Tomasz has the last word, but here is some quick feedback. Note that new > versions of existing files should be uploaded in the same page, using the > link "Upload a new version of this file". Please don't create new pages for > these updates. I fixed the description pages for you, so the only things you need to do now are: * Fix the dimensions for the bg and zh-min-nan logos * Upload a new version of the Norwegian logo as suggested by Quim * Fix the font used in the Thai logo * Add font information to logos where necessary You might notice I deleted https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-svg.svg as it's a duplicate of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no.svg -- I now understand I should've made myself plainer, sorry about the unclear instructions, and thanks a lot for your work -- I greatly appreciate your involvement.
(In reply to comment #55) > * https://yi.wikisource.org > * https://no.wikinews.org > * https://eo.wikinews.org > * https://bs.wikinews.org > * https://ca.wikinews.org > > I have no idea what's the font used in the Wikinews logo, perhaps someone > else > knows that? I had a look at a lot of logos on Commons, but none included that > particular information... Will try to research that further. For the www.wikinews.org portal's CSS stylesheet, I used Myriad Pro Bold as the preferred font in the wordmark. That's the closest font I could find, considering the shapes of the W and K.
(In reply to comment #57) > If we can find out what the font was real quick, then the task will not be > uncertain anymore. And believe me, that's much, much easier than finding out > what's the font used for Wikiquote logos -- that one is /really/ complicated. Logos such as [[File:Wikiquote-logo-en.svg]] were vectorized by hand from the PNG originals. Some wikis (mostly the ones with non-Latin alphabets) have gotten away with a non-cursive wordmark.
* https://yi.wikisource.org * https://uk.wikibooks.org * https://sl.wikibooks.org * https://et.wikibooks.org (without the slogan) * https://az.wikibooks.org For the Yiddish Wikisource logo, please use the Taamey David CLM font. The Wikibooks logos use the DejaVu Sans Bold and the Charis SIL Italic fonts for the project name and the slogan.
(In reply to comment #60) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fa.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fa.png Hi Natasha, compared to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_fa.png the text in your version looks thinner and takes less width. The difference is noticeable when looking the logo at e.g. 137px, which is about the size that is displayed in the website. The creator of that logo didn't leave the details about the font used... Still, at the very least I guess you could make the font larger to take as much width as the current one. The other ones look very good. Thank you!
(In reply to comment #66) > Hi Natasha, compared to > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_fa.png the text in your > version looks thinner and takes less width. The difference is noticeable when > looking the logo at e.g. 137px, which is about the size that is displayed in > the website. The creator of that logo didn't leave the details about the font > used... I specifically requested that Natasha uses the Nazli font, as that's the one used by the Persian Wikipedia, so I'd say it's OK :-)
Whoops, forgot to mention: I requested that in comment 53.
(In reply to comment #65) > * https://yi.wikisource.org > * https://uk.wikibooks.org > * https://sl.wikibooks.org > * https://et.wikibooks.org (without the slogan) > * https://az.wikibooks.org Task created and already claimed. We need more projects, please. http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/6724757936406528
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-yi.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-uk.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-sl.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-et.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-az.svg At the current Yiddish (Yi) Wikisource logo under symbol like N-gotic there is no sub-symbol like T, but text string on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos#Wikisource has this sub-T. Title of Yi Wikisource also has sub-T, so I created SVG with sub-T.
(In reply to comment #70) All logos look good, except for the Ukrainian Wikibooks; the size of the project name in your version is much smaller than in the logo used by the project now. Please fix this and all will be fine :-)
Updated: Norwegian Versions: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.svg (Once approved, the current logo should be updated) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no.svg Southern Min Updated: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.svg Thia Updated: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-th-svg.svg Bulgarian Updated: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bg.svg
(In reply to comment #71) UK logo uses another font. Match the K letter: on current logo it's curve, but in DajaVu Sans it's plain. Current logo font is taller than DajaVu Sans. http://goo.gl/BQ5eQs (current logo) http://goo.gl/4w6LGu (logo with DajaVu Sans) I have to ask person who made current logo for font, could you point me to the wiki-page with the current logo where I'll find the user uploaded logo or say what format it has in Wiki (e.g. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-uk-current.png)? P.S. Waiting for font may take me lots of time, so if you'll close my current task and create task with, say, 5+2=7 logos for converting to SVG (cuz it's the second time I didn't done my work fully), it'll be great.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sr.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-mk.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-tr.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sl.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-lt.svg
(In reply to comment #72) > Norwegian Versions: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.png > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.svg Your version includes lower case characters, which is not correct. Wikisource logos with Latin script use Linux Libertine O using capitals in all characters. See for instance https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.svg If you fix this I will close the Google Code-in task, although you might get additional feedback from Tomasz.
(In reply to comment #70) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-yi.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-uk.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-sl.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-et.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-az.svg These look good to me. > At the current Yiddish (Yi) Wikisource logo under symbol like N-gotic there > is > no sub-symbol like T, but text string on > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos#Wikisource has this > sub-T. Title of Yi Wikisource also has sub-T, so I created SVG with sub-T. Wow, good catch! Sounds reasonable.
I figured out the font used on Uk logo (http://goo.gl/BQ5eQs). It's Arial Bold with proprietary license. Should I make logo with Arial Bold?
(In reply to comment #77) > I figured out the font used on Uk logo (http://goo.gl/BQ5eQs). It's Arial > Bold > with proprietary license. Should I make logo with Arial Bold? No. Just use whatever free font is the most common for Wikibooks (or the second most common if the first is used by ru.source; uk.* like to be different ;) ).
(In reply to comment #74) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sr.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-mk.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-tr.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sl.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-lt.svg Amazing job, well done, thanks!
(In reply to comment #75) > If you fix this I will close the Google Code-in task, although you might get > additional feedback from Tomasz. I have no further comments; once that logo is fixed, I'm OK with closing the task.
(In reply to comment #75) > (In reply to comment #72) > > Norwegian Versions: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.png > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.svg > > Your version includes lower case characters, which is not correct. Wikisource > logos with Latin script use Linux Libertine O using capitals in all > characters. > See for instance > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.svg > > If you fix this I will close the Google Code-in task, although you might get > additional feedback from Tomasz. I updated both of them.
(In reply to comment #81) > I updated both of them. Task closed. Thank you! Tomasz, we haven't any logo-related task available for GCI students right now. There two weeks left. Are there many logos left? What about publishing tasks for all the remaining logos? I'm taking many days off during these holidays and I will still volunteer GCI time. I'm learning to evaluate these logos and I can help at least to the level of closing the task (and therefore relieving the time pressure). So far most if not all students have been responsive and responsible with the logos they have converted, even after the corresponding task was closed. Bug 45036 is almost resolved. With a last sprint we can close this one as well!
I don't have the exact numbers of logos remaining; as we don't know the font for Wikinews and Wikiquote projects, there's just the Wikibooks family and perhaps two Wikivoyage projects left. I guess there might be about 20-30 logos left at best, and I think I can come up with a full list in the coming hours/days.
About Wikinews, the original font of the en.wikinews logo is unknown and most probably proprietary. I got quite close with Liberation Sans (still missing the blur): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikinews-logo-en-qgil.svg See also the related discussion at https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#Font_used_in_the_Wikinews_logo.3F Seeing cs, ro and no I bet that newer projects already went this route with Liberation Sans or a clone. Many projects pending don't have Latin scripts anyway. About Wikiquote... as Minh Nguyễn describes, it's a jungle. Since the original logo was handwritten (?), each project that customized the name also customized the text used in the logo. We could ask students to retrace the text if it looks handwritten or no information about the font is provided. The basic idea being that what matters is to obtain a visual replica from the PNG logo in SVG. We could have 3 logos per task, if this makes sense.
I just had a look at the discussion on the water cooler; I think it's a good idea to use Liberation Sans, /but/ with keeping the blur (shadow). I can create a blueprint or write detailed instructions on how to create the blur/shadow if necessary, and post them on Meta or Commons (or wikimediafoundation.org for that matter). Wikiquote logos are too complicated, in my opinion, for GCI students; I think it would take them more than the usual 2-3 hours. I'd prefer that we do that by ourselves; we could use WhatTheFont or even start a new contest to create a new, i18 and l10n-friendly, SVG-based, freely-licenced logo.
(In reply to comment #85) > I just had a look at the discussion on the water cooler; I think it's a good > idea to use Liberation Sans, /but/ with keeping the blur (shadow). > > I can create a blueprint or write detailed instructions on how to create the > blur/shadow if necessary, and post them on Meta or Commons (or > wikimediafoundation.org for that matter). Yes, please. > Wikiquote logos are too complicated, in my opinion, for GCI students; I think > it would take them more than the usual 2-3 hours. GCI tasks are supposed to take 2-3 hours to experienced contributors. Many GCI tasks take more than that to first-timers, and they rduce the time invested as they learn. If Wikiquote logos are more complicated then we can have one per task. I would still give it a try, but you're the boss. :) > I'd prefer that we do that by > ourselves; we could use WhatTheFont or even start a new contest to create a > new, i18 and l10n-friendly, SVG-based, freely-licenced logo. That too, but it can take months, or more than that, to reach to that point. Also, we really need more GCI tasks. There is no problem in encouraging students to learn to trace images out of rasterized ones. Reviewing the results is relatively simple (they look alike or they don't), and I can help.
(In reply to comment #86) > Also, we really need more GCI tasks. There is no problem in encouraging > students to learn to trace images out of rasterized ones. Reviewing the > results > is relatively simple (they look alike or they don't), and I can help. Well, we can also create svg+png logos for all Wiktionaries and Wikipedias in incubator, to be ready for the future. There are about 220 listed in [[m:User:Cbrown1023/Logos]]. I'd suggest 10 logos for each task and separate tasks to fetch the names and translations from the incubator portals where possible (or merge the two things? but they're different "skills").
Incubator... I think this is too much. A good incentive for GCI students is to work on actual fixes, improvements in real projects.
* https://eo.wikibooks.org * https://eu.wikibooks.org ("Wikiliburuak" per main page) * https://id.wikibooks.org * https://cy.wikibooks.org ("Wicilyfrau") * https://mk.wikibooks.org ("Викикниги") More to come...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-eo-noslogan.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-eu-noslogan.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-id.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-cy-noslogan.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-mk-noslogan.svg
Sorry about the double-post, but I wasn't able to find slogans for these languages.
(In reply to comment #91) > Sorry about the double-post, but I wasn't able to find slogans for these > languages. Nevermind, I was able to find slogans for all of them except macedonian.
Hi Geoffrey, if there is no slogan specified at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos you can provide the logo as SVG without slogan. Thank you.
Here are the (almost) final logos: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-eo.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-eu.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-id.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-cy.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-mk-noslogan.svg I will add Wikibooks-logo-mk.svg (with slogan) once I get it translated.
(In reply to comment #94) > Here are the (almost) final logos: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-eo.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-eu.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-id.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-cy.svg > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-mk-noslogan.svg > > I will add Wikibooks-logo-mk.svg (with slogan) once I get it translated. Thanks to the help of B. Jankuloski (User:Bjankuloski06en), we now have a mk logo with slogan! (celebration) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-mk.svg
The logos are fine, thank you. With two days until the end of GCI remaining now, should I post more links for Wikibooks (and Wikinews) logos, or are we done?
I think that's it for GCI. However, it might be still useful to keep identifying here new logos to work on, just in case other volunteers show up. We will keep featuring this bug report after GCI (details to be defined).
Here's the promised blueprint file for Wikinews logos: * <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikinews_logo_blueprint.svg> The shadows are clones of the two text elements, which should make it easy enough to edit & adapt the logo to suit all languages and preferences (the shadows, as clones, will automatically change upon editing). I also added a short instruction on how to edit the blueprint to the file description page on Commons—improvements welcome.
Thank you Tomasz! Google Code-in is being wrapped up as we speak, but after that we want to bring that spirit to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs , improving that page and converting it in the first destination for new contributors looking for a first task. It won't we as intense as GCI (hopefully!) ;) but we still expect to get a stream from contributions from there.
Change 130821 had a related patch set uploaded by Odder: SVG logos for two non-Wikibooks, non-Wikisource wikis https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/130821
Change 130821 merged by jenkins-bot: SVG logos for two non-Wikibooks, non-Wikisource wikis https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/130821
Change 131204 had a related patch set uploaded by Odder: Add SVG logos for nine Wikibooks wikis https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131204
Change 131255 had a related patch set uploaded by Odder: Add SVG logos for fifteen Wikisource wikis https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131255
Change 131255 merged by jenkins-bot: Add SVG logos for sixteen Wikisource wikis https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131255
Change 131204 merged by jenkins-bot: Add SVG logos for nine Wikibooks wikis https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/131204
Patches mentioned in comment 100, comment 102 and comment 103 updated logos for the following 27 wikis: * https://az.wikibooks.org * https://cy.wikibooks.org * https://eo.wikibooks.org * https://et.wikibooks.org * https://eu.wikibooks.org * https://ie.wikibooks.org * https://mk.wikibooks.org * https://oc.wikibooks.org * https://sl.wikibooks.org * https://az.wikisource.org * https://bg.wikisource.org * https://bs.wikisource.org * https://fi.wikisource.org * https://ht.wikisource.org * https://hu.wikisource.org * https://hy.wikisource.org * https://is.wikisource.org * https://la.wikisource.org * https://li.wikisource.org * https://lt.wikisource.org * https://mk.wikisource.org * https://sl.wikisource.org * https://sr.wikisource.org * https://th.wikisource.org * https://tr.wikisource.org * https://cs.wikiversity.org * https://oc.wiktionary.org There are still 19 wikis whose logos have been recreated in SVG, but have not been updated, as they require community consultation and explicit agreement for logo change (since the new logos differ from the existing ones quite visibly). If anyone is up to the task, a list of those wikis with direct links to the new logos follows: es.wiktionary => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-es-new.svg sq.wiktionary => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-sq-new.svg tr.wiktionary => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo-tr-new.svg idwikibooks => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-id.svg kawikibooks => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-ka.svg tawikibooks => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-ta.svg thwikibooks => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-th.svg ukwikibooks => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-uk.svg zhwikibooks => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-zh.svg bnwikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-bn.png cawikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-ca.svg elwikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-el.png eowikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-eo.png etwikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-et.svg fawikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fa.svg knwikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-kn.svg nowikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-no-standardized.svg yiwikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-yi.svg zh-min-nanwikisource => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-zh-min-nan.svg My thanks to all Google Code-In students who helped with the task; your contributions are greatly appreciated, and also visible to the outside world for more than a week now. Thanks again! Tomasz
(In reply to Tomasz W. Kozlowski from comment #106) > > My thanks to all Google Code-In students who helped with the task And no less important: congratulations to you for pushing this huge task through that last mile.
