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Bug 5116 - New categorisation feature that not just sorts by, but also shows different article titles on the category page (e.g. "Einstein, Albert")
New categorisation feature that not just sorts by, but also shows different a...
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 491
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Categories (Other open bugs)
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: Normal enhancement with 4 votes (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2006-02-27 07:56 UTC by Karl Dickman
Modified: 2006-03-04 16:48 UTC (History)
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Description Karl Dickman 2006-02-27 07:56:16 UTC
Some categories require not just the normal piping (such as [[Category:1945 
births|Smith, John]]), but manipulation of how the links are presented on the 
category page.  In the sample I cite above, all aircraft are categorised by 
manufacturer except U.S. military aircraft with nicknames.  The Consolidated PB3Y and 
the R3Y Tradewind, for example, are made by the same company but placed under 
different letters.  The category tag in for the R3Y could be piped of course 
([[Category:Seaplanes and flying boats|Consolidated R3Y Tradewind]]), but a passerby 
would be bewildered why an 'R' article was appearing in the 'C' section.  Moving the 
article to a new title seems like overkill, and violates WP:MOS.  The easiest 
solution is a kind of uber-pipe, so that [[Category:Seaplanes and flying 
boats||Consolidated R3Y Tradewind]] (or whatever syntax is implemented) will cause 
the link on the category page to show up as 'Consolidated R3Y Tradewind' instead 
of 'R3Y Tradewind'.

My apologies if this isn't explained very well.  I spent half an hour writing a good 
explanation which promptly got deleted when I entered an invalid keyword.
Comment 1 Rob Church 2006-02-27 10:14:26 UTC
It's a nice explanation but it's lacking in a fairly critical area, namely, you
haven't said what it is you'd like us to change.
Comment 2 Filip Maljkovic [Dungodung] 2006-02-27 13:00:38 UTC
As I get it, you should change markup so that double pipe within [[Category: ]]
links would determine under which article name should the article be listed in
the appropriate category.
Comment 3 Karl Dickman 2006-02-27 17:41:54 UTC
Oh, that's embarassing.  Here's what I want to change:

A new feature should be added that allows manipulation of the links on the 
Category page.  With the double pipe, or whatever syntax is eventually employed, 
[[Category:Foo||Bar]] does not just make the article sort as if it were 
titled 'Bar', it also changes the title seen on the category page.
Comment 4 Karl Dickman 2006-02-27 18:50:14 UTC
Please note that I am not proposing that we use the 'uber-piping' described in the 
example above.  It should '''only''' be used for a relatively specialised group of 
category.  Thusfar, the only ones I can come up with are multinational aircraft 
categories and American aircraft categories that include both civil and military.
Comment 5 D 2006-02-27 22:09:52 UTC
That would be extremely useful. Page naming conventions and category sorting
conventions are not always one and the same.
Comment 6 Aryeh Gregor (not reading bugmail, please e-mail directly) 2006-03-01 05:11:30 UTC
It would also be appropriate for all biography articles.  Last, First is the
conventional way to order things.  Likewise for a vast variety of articles,
really; it's just completely confusing for things to be ordered differently from
how they're written out.
Comment 7 Rob Church 2006-03-02 22:39:00 UTC

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 491 ***
Comment 8 Karl Dickman 2006-03-04 01:26:04 UTC
This bug has been marked resolved, though I haven't seen it in action yet.

One final addendum: my proposal above is slightly flawed, because the name under 
which an article should be categorised by is not always the same as the name of 
the link displayed.  In the example above, the R3Y Tradewind, the category tag 
should look like [[Category:Seaplanes and flying boats|Consolidated RY3 
Tradewind|Consolidated R3Y Tradewind]].  This will make the link displayed on the 
category page appear as 'R3Y', but will alphabetise it as RY3.  This is because 
of the U.S. Navy designation system, in which the letters 'R3Y' are read as 'the 
third (3) cargo plane (R) built for the navy by Consolidated (Y)'.  Thus, it 
makes more sense to have the planes in the order RD, R2D, R3D, R4D, RY, R2Y, R3Y 
than it does to order them RD, RY, R2D, R2Y, R3D, R3Y, R4D.

In general, maximising flexibility in this manner is probably the most prudent 
thing to do, because we don't always know that the preferred link title is the 
same as the proper title for alphabetisation.
Comment 9 Rob Church 2006-03-04 16:48:42 UTC
(In reply to comment #8)
> This bug has been marked resolved, though I haven't seen it in action yet.

It's also been marked as a duplicate of bug 491 which hasn't been resolved.
Hence the reason you haven't seen it yet.

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