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There was some discussion about this on wikitech on January, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-January/057420.html but since the nomenclature didn't change so far, I'm opening this request to make changes such as the following in the bugzilla interface: # Vote --> Watch|BookMark # Show Votes --> Show bugs I watch|Show my Bookmarks # 1 vote used out of 1000 allowed. --> Watching 1 bug of 1000 allowed.|1 bookmark used out of 1000 allowed. # ...
Extension needs to be forked out Appropriately references changed New ext activated Data migrated from the vote db -> new db table (or however bz stores this) Old vote extension disabled
I don't think it needs to be forked...why not just change the couple of places it says "Vote?"
(In reply to comment #2) > I don't think it needs to be forked...why not just change the couple of places > it says "Vote?" Well It would make more work on the next upgrade then, Since we would likely forget about it, then have to do the whole thing again. And if someone did it and did some more improvements on it (even if they just left it without forking) it could possibly be pushed upstream (if they have a extension repository).
(In reply to comment #3) > And if someone did it and did some more improvements on it (even if they just > left it without forking) it could possibly be pushed upstream (if they have a > extension repository). I find that scenario very unlikely.
after reading http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-January/057420.html this sounds superfluous. the "cc list" already exists and can be used "to gauge interest". also, it makes no sense to limit the # of bugs someone can "bookmark". in short, it it's not really voting (in this community), there is no need for this feature in this community. i am not that familiar with bugzilla, but i am absolutely certain that this is a feature that can just be disabled - no need to fork anything, change no wording or do any other local changes - just change the bugzilla config not to use the voting system, and "gauge interest" via the # of entries in the cc list. peace.
(In reply to comment #5) > after reading > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-January/057420.html > this sounds superfluous. > > the "cc list" already exists and can be used "to gauge interest". > > also, it makes no sense to limit the # of bugs someone can "bookmark". > > in short, it it's not really voting (in this community), there is no need for > this feature in this community. i am not that familiar with bugzilla, but i am > absolutely certain that this is a feature that can just be disabled - no need > to fork anything, change no wording or do any other local changes - just change > the bugzilla config not to use the voting system, and "gauge interest" via the > # of entries in the cc list. > > peace. I thought the same thing, but people disagreed. People like using the votes for watching things without being on the CC list. The number of votes/bookmarks/free candy that someone can use can be raised if need be, so that's a non-issue.
*** Bug 35400 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
* CC also has a "# users" statistic clearly in the heading So for a public counter, the vote feature is redundant * CC by design emails people on updates (In reply to comment #6) > I thought the same thing, but people disagreed. People like using the votes for > watching things without being on the CC list. WP:WEASEL; Says who? I'm not sure why someone would want to bookmark a bug but not want e-mailnotifications. If someone doesn't want e-mails at all, they could disable e-mailnotifications entirely for CC (sounds strange but in BugZilla preferences you can disable notifications in a grid and one of the options is to disable them for bugs you are CCed on).
(In reply to comment #8) > WP:WEASEL; Says who? I'm not sure why someone would want to bookmark a bug but > not want e-mailnotifications. Why would I want to notify everybody in the CC list every time I bookmark a new bug? (aka Facebook "Like" buttons) I want to receive updates when a bug status changes, or when someone comment on a bug I've bookmarked, but I'm not necessarily interested in receiving an email when someone else bookmarks the same bugs.
(In reply to comment #9) > Why would I want to notify everybody in the CC list every time I bookmark a new > bug? (aka Facebook "Like" buttons) > Most people have "CC only" changes disabled--and actually that's the default now.
(In reply to comment #10) > (In reply to comment #9) > > Why would I want to notify everybody in the CC list every time I bookmark a new > > bug? (aka Facebook "Like" buttons) > > > > Most people have "CC only" changes disabled--and actually that's the default > now. Also for the bug reporter? Anyway, I add myself to cc on bugs I actively follow (and want people to know I'm following), while the vote is a passive action of generic support and interest.
(In reply to comment #8) > I'm not sure why someone would want to bookmark a bug but > not want e-mailnotifications. If someone doesn't want e-mails at all, they > could disable e-mailnotifications entirely for CC (sounds strange but in > BugZilla preferences you can disable notifications in a grid and one of the > options is to disable them for bugs you are CCed on). I don't really understand it either. And really, I think some of it comes back to people thinking the votes mean something when they don't.
Just in case someone completely removes the feature instead of renaming it, would it be possible to provide people a backup of the list of bugs they voted (i.e. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/page.cgi?id=voting%2Fuser.html), so that they can add themselves to the CC lists later (if they still want to follow the bugs)? It would be bad to remove the access to the list without notice.
Watching a bug means to receive its bugmail. It requires adding an email address to the CC list. Voting is something different. Redefining terminology that is used differently across other bugtrackers does not sound like a good proposal. Bookmarks are also something different (ways to access something in a faster way). If at all, "Favorites" comes closest.
(In reply to comment #14) > Watching a bug means to receive its bugmail. It requires adding an email > address to the CC list. It doesn't require receiving bug mail, You can easily turn that off in your preferences, as has been pointed out in this bug a couple of times.
Then change my argumentation to "Watching a bug means to receive its bugmail, if you have bugmail enabled." Problems remain exactly the same though. :)
From http://quominus.org/archives/714#comment-669 > With regard to “me too!” and “+1″ comments: Voting is not visible enough > in Bugzilla, plus launchpad.net has a nice “This bug affects me too” > checkbox option which would eliminate such comments.
(In reply to comment #4) > it could possibly be pushed upstream (if they have a extension repository). They have. :) (In reply to comment #5) > i am absolutely certain that this is a feature that can just be disabled Yes you can disable voting in Bugzilla, per product or globally. (In reply to comment #13) > Just in case someone completely removes the feature instead of renaming it, > would it be possible to provide people a backup of the list of bugs they voted Not easily. (In reply to comment #17) > From > http://quominus.org/archives/714#comment-669 > > With regard to “me too!” and “+1″ comments: Voting is not visible enough > > in Bugzilla, plus launchpad.net has a nice “This bug affects me too” > > checkbox option which would eliminate such comments. I wrote that comment. This problem should be fixed in upstream first. It's more or less https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522458 So to come back to the original request: (In reply to comment #0) > I'm opening this request to > make changes such as the following in the bugzilla interface: > # Vote --> Watch|BookMark It's not really the same. If I CC myself on a report I am not necessarily interested in fixing it (in most cases it's a correct assumption though, I admit). That's why I lean towards closing this ticket as WONTFIX.
I don't plan to work on this and I'm not convinced by the proposals, so I close this request as WONTFIX. I agree that the Voting UI in Bugzilla is cumbersome (hard to find, UI how to add a vote and to see your list of votes not intuitive) but I don't think that cosmetic string changes will improve the underlying, more complicated issues.
Well at least add a "These are not votes in any normal sense." comment at the top of the "My votes" page. Perhaps just highlighting the "Help with voting" (by placing it at the top of the page) would do.
(In reply to comment #20) > Well at least add a "These are not votes in any normal sense." comment at the > top of the "My votes" page. Could you elaborate what "in any normal sense" means to you ("normal" is rather subjective and I'm afraid people have different definitions)?
Yeah, that was a little too terse: perhaps "not treated as votes towards the likelihood of this bug being fixed." As I understand it, for our implementation of this system at least, as Chad H (comment 12) said above, "I think some of it comes back to people thinking the votes mean something when they don't". (And my preferred option still is to change their name to "favo(u)rites".)
See also this recent thread on wikitech-l: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-July/070887.html
Wikitech archive links are broken again... :-(
