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Bug 16642 - Lift restriction on unregistered page creation in project space on enwiki
Lift restriction on unregistered page creation in project space on enwiki
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
Product: Wikimedia
Classification: Unclassified
General/Unknown (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal enhancement with 2 votes (vote)
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Assigned To: Roan Kattouw
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Reported: 2008-12-14 09:53 UTC by Martin
Modified: 2009-12-28 13:42 UTC (History)
7 users (show)

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Description Martin 2008-12-14 09:53:10 UTC
This is a request from the WikiProject Articles for Creation to lift the restriction on creating pages by unregistered users for pages with the prefix "Wikipedia:Articles for creation\"

Background

*Currently unregistered users are prevented from creating pages in all subject spaces (i.e. non-talk pages).
*Articles for Creation (AfC) is a Wikipedia process for allowing unregistered users to submit articles. They are reviewed by experienced editors and, if suitable, created.
*AfC is currently using getting around the page creation restriction by putting new submissions in talk space. (All submissions have the prefix "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submissions/".)

Rationale

*AfC is an important process as it allows unregistered users to participate fully in the project. Some editors do not want to register an account.
*The current process is abusing the namespace system. Article submissions should go into subject space; the talk page should be left for discussing the article.
*Sometimes orphaned talk pages are deleted in Wikipedia
*There is a bot (Sinebot) which signs all posts in talkspace. This is inappropriate here and there is not an easy way to exclude the bot.

Links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Proposed_new_entry_process
Discussion about the process
Comment 1 Martin 2008-12-14 09:57:15 UTC
It was once suggested to me by a developer that it would be simpler to derestrict the whole of the project namespace. I did propose this once on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT|VPT]. Although no one objected, only one other person took part in the discussion, so consensus can not be claimed. Therefore I make this request only for subpages of "Wikipedia:Articles for creation". Thanks.
Comment 2 Gurch 2008-12-14 15:36:59 UTC
I have long thought it ridiculous that anonymous users cannot list pages for deletion, so allowing them to create projectspace pages would solve that too. 

Really, it would be better to lift the restriction for all namespaces except article namespace. Talk namespaces are already not subject to the restrictions, and I don't see a problem with allowing creation in the other namespaces.

As for "consensus", recall that the restriction on page creation in late 2005 was not a community decision in the first place, was only supposed to be a temporary, experimental measure, and was intended solely to limit the rate of article creation. I'm assuming it's only because of limitations in MediaWiki at that time (and possibly still now) that the restriction wasn't limited to the article namespace in the first place.
Comment 3 Brion Vibber 2008-12-15 19:52:59 UTC
Should be possible via $wgNamespaceRestrictions I think...
Comment 4 Martin 2008-12-16 15:17:30 UTC
I suspect you mean $wgNamespaceProtection ?
Comment 5 Ben Kurtovic 2009-08-18 14:54:14 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> I suspect you mean $wgNamespaceProtection ?

Yes, that would appear to be the case. $wgNamespaceRestrictions does not exist.

(In reply to comment #3)
> Should be possible via $wgNamespaceRestrictions I think...

(Assuming the above is true.) $wgNamespaceProtection is to prevent various user groups from editing a certain namespace, not from creating pages in it. This would not work, unless we could make some odd hack which I can't think of at the moment. For $wgGroupPermissions, currently the only two possible settings for creating pages are createpage and createtalk, no more specific. I might be mistaken, but this may require a more complex change.
Comment 6 Roan Kattouw 2009-12-12 16:35:14 UTC
It is not technically possible to limit this to subpages or prefixes, only to namespaces. If you still want to lift the restriction on anonymous page creation in the Wikipedia: namespace, please reopen discussion and get a consensus (the original request had a discussion with two participants which took place over a year ago).
Comment 7 Roan Kattouw 2009-12-28 13:24:16 UTC
Closing as INVALID for lack of a clear and recent consensus. Feel free to REOPEN if and when there's consensus for a clear and technically possible change, e.g. to lift the restriction on anonymous page creation in the Wikipedia: namespace.
Comment 8 Chad H. 2009-12-28 13:31:44 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> It is not technically possible to limit this to subpages or prefixes, only to
> namespaces. If you still want to lift the restriction on anonymous page
> creation in the Wikipedia: namespace, please reopen discussion and get a
> consensus (the original request had a discussion with two participants which
> took place over a year ago).
> 

It's also not possible to customize 'createpage' or 'createtalk' on a per-namespace basis either. If you enable 'createpage' for anons, it applies to _all_ namespaces.

(In reply to comment #5)
> 
> (Assuming the above is true.) $wgNamespaceProtection is to prevent various user
> groups from editing a certain namespace, not from creating pages in it. This
> would not work, unless we could make some odd hack which I can't think of at
> the moment. For $wgGroupPermissions, currently the only two possible settings
> for creating pages are createpage and createtalk, no more specific. I might be
> mistaken, but this may require a more complex change.
> 

Not necessarily an odd hack (please no crappy hack patches!), but at least writing in a new feature we don't have yet :) But yes, this is correct in general.

(In reply to comment #7)
> Closing as INVALID for lack of a clear and recent consensus. Feel free to
> REOPEN if and when there's consensus for a clear and technically possible
> change, e.g. to lift the restriction on anonymous page creation in the
> Wikipedia: namespace.
> 

INVALID due to lack of consensus, but also LATER as dependent on some yet-unfiled "make creation rights configurable per-namespace" bug.
Comment 9 Happy-melon 2009-12-28 13:34:14 UTC
[[mw:Extension:Lockdown]] would be usable, if it will scale to enwiki. But I'm not sure if that's a road we want to go down.

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