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Bug 9625 - Main Page should be impossible to delete
Main Page should be impossible to delete
Status: CLOSED WONTFIX
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
General/Unknown (Other open bugs)
1.10.x
All All
: Lowest normal (vote)
: ---
Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
: patch, patch-need-review
Depends on:
Blocks:
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Reported: 2007-04-19 10:45 UTC by Max Semenik
Modified: 2011-03-13 18:05 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

See Also:
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Assignee Huggle Beta Tester: ---


Attachments
Patch that pervents Main Page from deletion (1.42 KB, patch)
2007-04-19 10:47 UTC, Max Semenik
Details

Description Max Semenik 2007-04-19 10:45:15 UTC
After Main Page on en: was deleted for second time last months, I think it's maybe 
time to make it fool-proof.
Comment 1 Max Semenik 2007-04-19 10:47:03 UTC
Created attachment 3469 [details]
Patch that pervents Main Page from deletion

Trivial patch
Comment 2 MacGyverMagic 2007-04-19 11:06:45 UTC
Second time? When was the first deletion?
Anyway, this should be a no-brainer some pages just shouldn't be deleted and 
protected against such a thing.

Mgm
Comment 3 Michael S. 2007-04-19 11:53:03 UTC
I concur with Mgm the main page is not the only page needing such protection. If
someone would manage to delete Monobook.css, the affect would be a lot worst —
same goes for many controversial pages we have. Perhaps leave this ability in
bureaucratic discretion?

Michaelas10
Comment 4 Majorly 2007-04-19 12:08:41 UTC
The ability should go to devs only, there's simply no need for any changes to it.
Comment 5 Brion Vibber 2007-04-19 12:10:36 UTC
Of course it should be possible to delete the main page.

WTF?
Comment 6 Max Semenik 2007-04-19 12:25:27 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> Of course it should be possible to delete the main page.
> 
> WTF?
Does risk of having thousands of people see Hello.jpg on Main page worth it?
Comment 7 Brion Vibber 2007-04-19 12:27:08 UTC
You already have that risk, deletable or not.

Anyone who can delete the page can unprotect it, move it, or edit it.
Comment 8 Yonatan Horan 2007-04-19 12:29:42 UTC
If this is an option it should be enabled on Wikipedia:Sandbox since last time
someone tried to delete that it locked the database for a few minutes until
domas stopped the deletion.
Comment 9 Aryeh Gregor (not reading bugmail, please e-mail directly) 2007-04-19 19:42:50 UTC
MediaWiki currently follows the credo of "don't second-guess the sysops, do
whatever they say", which is nicely complemented by its attitude of "everything
is reversible".  I definitely think it would be a bad thing if this were to
change.  This kind of request is liable to have unforeseen negative consequences
for some users.

A nonexistent Main Page for a couple of minutes isn't a huge issue, when you
think about it.  Slightly embarrassing, but not like it happens often.

(In reply to comment #7)
> You already have that risk, deletable or not.
> 
> Anyone who can delete the page can unprotect it, move it, or edit it.

I believe the point is that if it's accidentally deleted, the protection goes
away, so any schlump can add whatever they like to the page that everyone
visiting the site will immediately see.
Comment 10 Titoxd 2007-04-20 07:00:30 UTC
I for one do not see a point in this. Sure, it is horribly embarrassing for a
large wiki like the English Wikipedia, but for smaller wikis, the main page is
just... a page, like any others. Sometimes there's legitimate reasons for it to
be deleted. A "are you *really* sure you want to do this" prompt would be a
possible option, but that's a completely different issue here. 
Comment 11 Random832 2008-02-04 13:48:00 UTC
I would like to protest the inclusion of the move tab in this change, I was going to propose moving en's [[Main Page]] to [[Portal:Main Page]] this week, and now even if it does get consensus it can't be done (and why is this marked as WONTFIX when this apparently actually was done?)
Comment 12 Aryeh Gregor (not reading bugmail, please e-mail directly) 2008-02-04 14:53:04 UTC
Note that Tim has hacked in a plugin that stops main page deletion on all Wikimedia projects.  (He said that on wikitech-l 8 hours ago, I don't see it in the online archives yet.)  This is, of course, a different issue, since it's Wikimedia-specific.  I'm still not sure if it's the best solution, personally, since then people will just vandalize random articles instead.  How about a steward-bot that auto-desysops deleters of main pages instead, and then undeletes them?  That sounds like a more effective prevention tactic.
Comment 13 Alex Z. 2008-02-04 18:20:02 UTC
(In reply to comment #12)
> I'm still not sure if it's the best solution, personally,
> since then people will just vandalize random articles instead. 

Yes, the main page has generally served as a honeypot for compromised admin accounts. Its incredibly noticeable when it happens and even some minor vandalism by a compromised account inside an HTML comment on the main page a few days ago was noticed, reverted, and the account blocked and desysopped within minutes. The actual damage caused by deleting the main page is minimal.

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