Last modified: 2006-12-14 09:32:50 UTC
If an administrator blocks an account software should block the IP belonging to this account for a (short) time, say 10 or 15 minutes, in order to prevent the blocked user to create new accounts. Vandals often create MANY new accounts from the same IP after an admin has blocked them. Because of the autoblock the new accounts can not edit immediately, but admins have to block these new accounts to prevent vandalism after the autoblock time has expired. Therefore the IP should automatically blocked for a short time. This IP block must not be inserted into the IP blocklist. Otherwise every user might see the IP of the vandal account (which is a function of checkuser).
How is it autoblock doesn't handle this? Autoblock doesn't work on account creation? What do you mean, "after the autoblock time has expired" — you mean after 24 hours, account creation from the IP should still be blocked? The 24-hour limit is deliberate, so that dynamic IPs aren't indefinitely autoblocked (consider an AOL user creating an abusive account and getting indefinitely blocked; imagine if all his IPs got indefintely blocked too).
Let me explain: If I block the account XY, then (1) XY cannot edit anymore (2) without changing the ip XY can create new accounts XY-1, XY-2, XY-3 ... (3) XY-1 cannot edit immediately, but after the end of the autoblock time (24 h) he can edit. (4) To prevent further vandalism the admin must block XY-1, XY-2, XY-3 ... We should prevent (2) for a small time, say 10 or 15 minutes.
For an example look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Log/newusers: 7.August, 18:46 h - 19:26 h. This happens nearly every day.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that autoblocks never apply to IP addresses. If you block my account, I can still log out and edit freely. Is this incorrect? It seems to be the behavior I'm getting, and appears to be stated explicitly in User::spreadBlock. If this is correct, why is it true?
#4: Autoblocks are effectiv for editing for all (?) /the last x IPs (?) that a blocked user has had. This works fine. But an autoblocked IP can create accounts. A lot of accounts :-( This has to be changed as #2 explained.
We need this IP-Autoblock desperately on de.wiki. Every day hunderds of accounts in just one hour. that woundn't be possible, if this person had to change IP every minute
(In reply to comment #5) > #4: Autoblocks are effectiv for editing for all (?) /the last x IPs (?) that a > blocked user has had. This works fine. So if User:Simetrical is blocked, I log out immediately, and I try to make an anonymous edit, my IP *is* autoblocked? Because I'm not seeing that on my wiki. My IP is only autoblocked if I attempt to make an edit before logging out. Does anyone know if this is correct behavior? Why aren't autoblocks immediate upon blocking in any case?
Examples of the problem: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Listusers&limit=903&offset=244860 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Listusers&limit=267&offset=104200
Created attachment 2217 [details] Hacky patch to autoblock all relevant IPs immediately on block This patch is not yet suitable for commit. Phrases need to be changed, etc. But it works: $user->spreadBlock is simply called as soon as any username block is instated via Special:Blockip (even if the block already existed beforehand, incidentally). I'll tweak it a bit Saturday night or Sunday to update phrases, correct the logging order, and so on.
Comment on attachment 2217 [details] Hacky patch to autoblock all relevant IPs immediately on block Whoops, I see now. I got seriously confused as to the function of User::spreadBlock. The only reason it worked in my test is because I was attempting to block myself — spreadBlock blocks the current request's source IP, I thought it actively looked up IPs used in the past 24 hours. So this would be a completely retarded patch to apply. :D When I asked brion on IRC, he said that the reason autoblocks aren't applied at the time of the initial block is because nobody's written the code to find and block all IPs recently used by a given user. That's a bit beyond my skill range at the moment, since I still haven't really tried to learn MySQL . . .
(In reply to comment #10) > When I asked brion on IRC, he said that the reason autoblocks aren't applied at > the time of the initial block is because nobody's written the code to find and > block all IPs recently used by a given user. That's a bit beyond my skill > range at the moment, since I still haven't really tried to learn MySQL . . . This was a feature in one of the code snippets I wrote for an improved autoblocker; never committed. It's quite a trivial thing to do, though, so I might dig up the code, peer at it, and then plonk it in the repo.
The main problem is that many Administrators are not able to differentate between a Troll a Vandal and a person with more knowledge than out of plain and simple World Wide Web sources. And that they are not able to handle their own Admin provokers out of their front ranks.
More or less a selfmade DE wiki problem First work and controll your ego then come up with a better idea than this one Regards
Please stop posting random borderline trolling crap all over bug reports. There's a sandbox on various wikis to go piss in, but we're actually trying to work here.
*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 5149 ***
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