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Bug 5610 - Removal of [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] from [[Special:Upload]] on Commons
Removal of [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] from [[Special:Upload]] on Commons
Product: Wikimedia
Classification: Unclassified
General/Unknown (Other open bugs)
Other All
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2006-04-17 00:02 UTC by Daniel Arnold
Modified: 2011-03-13 18:05 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Description Daniel Arnold 2006-04-17 00:02:43 UTC
[[Special:Upload]] of MediaWiki incorporates [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] like any edit of a normal page. In 
contrast to normal text pages Special:Upload is concentrated on uploading of files and that the uploader 
does the licensing issue well and not on editing texts.

So using proper special characters in the upload summary is a very very low priority, as people need 
actively being educated writing any plain text summary at all and you can always edit the image page 
later in the usual way and enter nice special characters and such in case you haven't the desired ones on 
your keyboard (which is very unlikely as you will most times enter the description either in english or 
in your native language).

Currently (after a larger size reduction) MediaWiki:Edittools of Wikimedia Commons is ~2cm high [1]. So a 
removal of MediaWiki:Edittools from Special:Upload only would save quite some screen space at the upload 
form (the upload page of Wikimedia Commons [2] would easily fit in average font size on a 1152 x 864 
pixel screen without MediaWiki:Edittools). A further advantage would be that the browser would not 
display scrollbars which additionally saves screen space and makes the interface visually more 
comprehensible with one view.

So this would make the upload form looking less complex and people will visually concentrate better on 
the real important licensing things at upload.

Pages at Commons:
Comment 1 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-04-17 00:40:50 UTC
Hi Daniel!

Your request about emoval of [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] from [[Special:Upload]]
conflicts with Bug 4100: Make CharInsert available on [[Special:Upload]]

regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]
Comment 2 bdk 2006-04-17 00:57:36 UTC
Especially code stuff like [[Category:]], [[]] or ~~~ within MediaWiki:Edittools is widely used 
for uploads since existance, not only on Commons. Special characters are also needed quite 
often, just imagine all the people on holidays who want to upload their brilliant photos of 
interesting locations realtime, but who sit in front of a keyboard with a different layout 
(this is not as rare as you may think). 

So better consider reducing the nearly unsorted mass of special characters in edittools and 
consider adding a selector model like the one from
(like on de.wikipedia; only the first line is displayed)

A complete removal _could_ make sense for Commons (the request is mainly thought for 
this project afaik), but not in general for all projects or for the distribution. 
Changed "product" to Wikimedia therefore.
Comment 3 Daniel Arnold 2006-04-17 09:30:28 UTC
Well I have reduced already; I removed the 
legal disclaimer and corrected the code ([[Category:]] and such did not really work before, there is 
another MediaWiki parser bug) as there is perfectly serving that purpose.

But it is still quite large. I'm aware of 
and will definitely adapt it for Wikimedia Commons, which saves ~1cm of screen space height on all 
edits and will allow much more special characters sorted in a nice way.

My main concern is that people are very lazy with their image descriptions and making the upload 
form more streamlined but yet giving them the important information and warnings did lead me to the 
conclusion that Edittools at the upload form are only useful for a very narrow group of people (that 
know most times their way around) and does has negative effects on the quality of the contributions 
of average uploaders. So my aim is making this a good upload form for the average.

So maybe it would be a good idea if we can modify the inclusion of appearance of 
MediaWiki:Editttools in Special:Upload via a MediaWiki page? Like MediaWiki:Upload-helpers that 
could be either a different page like MediaWiki:Edittools or does incorporate just a pagename 
(usually MediaWiki:Edittools) or nothing if unused.

That way all projects could decide easily on their own without imposing a decission of them.
Comment 4 Daniel Arnold 2006-04-18 23:00:56 UTC
I'd like if you can provide some brief rationale why you think this is a WONTFIX. Please read my last comment *how* 
we can make this bug *not conflicting* with #4100.

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