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Bug 517 - Two-level navigation bar
Two-level navigation bar
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Interface (Other open bugs)
1.4.x
All All
: Lowest enhancement with 1 vote (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Depends on:
Blocks:
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Reported: 2004-09-18 15:17 UTC by kissall
Modified: 2010-05-15 15:33 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Assignee Huggle Beta Tester: ---


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Description kissall 2004-09-18 15:17:18 UTC
The current navigation bar only contains a list of links of sinle level. It would be 
much better if we can provide navigation bar with multiple levels. 

For example, the if users want to access one page in "special pages", with multiple-
level navigation bar, they could just point their mouse cursors to "special pages" in 
the toolbox for a while and all links within "special pages" would popup to be 
selected. Users could save a lot of time by introducing even one level of navigation 
bar. And saving time is quite something for everybody I think.

A good example for what I want is located here: 
http://www.intel.com/software/products/index.htm
Please try to use the navigation bar in above page.
It also provides a hint how to organize our current long list of other languages 
links for a page into a much shorter one.
Comment 1 Brion Vibber 2004-09-18 19:08:12 UTC
I'm going to mark this as WONTFIX. Huge complicated hierarchical navigation bars are really, really, really annoying, and I sincerely 
hope we can avoid the temptation to make things overcomplicated in this way.
Comment 2 kissall 2004-09-19 03:32:20 UTC
Well, I would say anything described with "Huge complicated" is annoying. I totally agree with 
you with this. But a two or at most three level navigation bars should be a better thing for 
users. And it is not overcompilicated for sure.
I insisit on letting average users vote for existing bugs for its severities including this 
one. And that would make more sense than arguments between several people here.
I changed it to Reopen for 2 level navigation bar. Not the "overcomplicated" Intel one.
(In reply to comment #1)
> I'm going to mark this as WONTFIX. Huge complicated hierarchical navigation bars are really, 
really, really annoying, and I sincerely 
> hope we can avoid the temptation to make things overcomplicated in this way.

Comment 3 Brion Vibber 2004-09-19 04:10:50 UTC
Can you please link an example of what you'd like?

You are of course welcome to code up a custom skin that's as complex or simple as you like. As maintainers of a free software 
package our responsibility is the unpleasant one of sometimes saying "no" to keep the base distribution manageable.

Please feel free to vote for the bug though; click the "Vote for this bug" link right above the comment box.
Comment 4 kissall 2004-09-19 04:35:44 UTC
The example I already mentioned in this bug report:
http://www.intel.com/software/products/index.htm
It only contains 3 to 4 levels navigation bar and looks complicated at the first glance. I 
think 3 levels are quite enough for wikipedia.
Thank you for you attention for this bug report.
(In reply to comment #3)
> Can you please link an example of what you'd like?
> You are of course welcome to code up a custom skin that's as complex or simple as you like. 
As maintainers of a free software 
> package our responsibility is the unpleasant one of sometimes saying "no" to keep the base 
distribution manageable.
> Please feel free to vote for the bug though; click the "Vote for this bug" link right above 
the comment box.

Comment 5 Brion Vibber 2004-09-19 04:39:58 UTC
Well we're definitely not going to do something like the linked Intel site. Re-closing.
Comment 6 kissall 2004-09-19 04:47:06 UTC
Oops. There is some misunderstanding here. I mentioned Intel site just for an example, not 
saying I want this and nothing else. And the tile is self-explained: a multiple level 
navigation bar. Not strictly saying we must use intel style. That is an implementation issue. 

The desired features from users are requirments. And how to exactly meet their requirments is 
implementation. There is always a gap between them. It is not proper to close a requirement 
because one implementation method is not desired I think.

(In reply to comment #5)
> Well we're definitely not going to do something like the linked Intel site. Re-closing.

Comment 7 Jamesday 2004-09-19 04:55:21 UTC
To support a desire for this, do the following:

1. Discuss in the community (on meta or other places on the wiki)
2. Get a list of features which people want added to menu bars
3. Identify why it is not possible or not desirable to do them in a single link
style, on the top or left of the page, where they work even for those who do not
have javascript or have it turned off for security reasons.

Once you have these done, with clear community support, it'll be time to visit
bugzilla.
Comment 8 Erik Moeller 2004-09-19 16:55:17 UTC
There are bad and good ways to do this. TikiWiki has a feature like that. You
can see it at their homepage at 
      
http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php

This immediately confused the heck out of me whenever I visited a tiki site
because I didn't know where to find the "Recent changes" link. Only now, after
using tiki for a while in a project I'm involved with, I have actually become
vaguely familiar with its navigational structure (which again is different from
one wiki to the next).

MediaWiki has a trademark set of links that are easy to find. Most installations
use the same link titles for the basic functionality. You can use accesskeys or
type-ahead find to navigate to the places you want to go (needless to say, none
of these features works on the Intel site).  

However, the current special pages menu is awkward. "Special pages" is not
descriptive, and frequent users will find the navigation to be cumbersome. Here
I think a dynamic menu could be useful. Same for pages with more than n
interlanguage links. It would be crucial that the menu works in older and
text-based browsers (the Intel one works in links, not tested with older
graphical browsers).

If you want to pursue this further, please build at least a prototype based on
the current Monobook skin. You don't need to know PHP, just get the HTML and CSS
of a random wiki page and start tinkering.
Comment 9 Rob Church 2005-12-17 03:02:32 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> > Please feel free to vote for the bug though; click the "Vote for this bug"
link right above 
> the comment box.

Just to point out that BugZilla votes are more or less ignored on our
implementation of it. I think the voting feature tends to be used more as a
watchlist for bugs - and that's how I use it.

Comment 10 Niklas Laxström 2009-04-07 07:41:49 UTC
Reclosing. No new points have came up why this should be implemented since last closing.

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