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Bug 4786 - Create Yiddish Wikisource
Create Yiddish Wikisource
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: Wikimedia
Classification: Unclassified
Site requests (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal normal with 1 vote (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2006-01-29 05:43 UTC by Dovi Jacobs
Modified: 2006-03-26 20:11 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Description Dovi Jacobs 2006-01-29 05:43:11 UTC
Please set up yi.wikisource.org.

Requests, support, etc. may be found here:

http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#yi.wikisource.org_.28Yiddish.2F.D7.99.D7.99.D7.93.D7.99.D7.A9.29
Comment 1 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-01-29 14:43:02 UTC
(In reply to comment #0)
> Please set up yi.wikisource.org.Requests, support, etc. may be found 
here:http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#yi.wikisource.org_.28Yiddish.2F.D7.99.D7.99.D7.93.D7.99.
D7.A9.29

Hallo Dovi!

The url from above specifies
"וויקיביבליאָטעק"
as project and sitename.
There two characters 'HEBREW LETTER VAV' - U 05D5 are used and *not*
'HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH DOUBLE VAV' - U 05F0
as in "װיקיביבליאָטעק".

I thing that a discussion about character usage, about the usage of [[en:niqqud]] is necessary. This will have impacts also 
on the spelling of namespaces. Personaly I think that parallel spelling (YIVO and common usage) should be allowed at 
projects in Yiddish as well as transcription(s).

I would like to provide the translation of existing MediaWiki messages during the next two days.

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

references:
[[wikt:yi:project:bugzilla/unicode/U_05F0]]
[[wikt:yi:project:bugzilla/unicode/U_05F1]]
[[wikt:yi:project:bugzilla/unicode/U_05F2]]
[[wikt:yi:project:bugzilla/unicode/U_05D5]]
[[wikt:yi:project:bugzilla/unicode/U_05D9]]
Comment 2 Dovi Jacobs 2006-01-30 06:52:50 UTC
Hi Reinhardt.

About the encoding, I agree with you that the double vav is appropriate.  The
namespace suggestion was provided by [[yi:User:Jiddisch]], and I don't think he
considered that detail.

I suggest fixing it, mentioning it on yi.wikipedia (perhaps on his talkpage),
and then going ahead with the project.  Wikisource is perfect for Yiddish, a
language for which the vast majority of its literature is public domain.

As for the use of niqqud, Yiddish is different than Hebrew.  In Hebrew one can
get along fine with no niqqud at all, in fact that is the way things are
normally done (except for special texts).  But in Yiddish the vowels including
some degree of niqqud are an intrinsic part of the spelling (and if they are
missing the word is incorrect).
Comment 3 Jiddisch 2006-02-15 19:40:28 UTC
(sory about my English) The name "װיקיביבליאָטעק" is sparely also OK, but with our experience with the name "װיקיפּעדיע" by 
Wikipedia project, there is some problems e.g. it is hardly to use this name in other external sites or in search engines 
and the like, also some computers shows the doeble VAV in another size that other lettes and it look like a NUN. Thanks ~~~~
Comment 4 Dovi Jacobs 2006-02-23 14:38:48 UTC
It looks like this whole discussion is no longer a problem, now that [[Bug
4960]] has been solved to allow the use of namespace variants for these types of
characters. They should be implemented in Yiddish Wikisource exactly as they
were in Yiddish Wikipedia.

I would add that now that the problem has been solved, it would be really great
if the website could be set up as a priority. There is a special reason for
this, namely that Yiddish is a language with a very rich literature that is
almost entirely in the public domain. Absolutely perfect for a Wikisource wiki:

http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#yi.wikisource.org_.28Yiddish.2F.D7.99.D7.99.D7.93.D7.99.D7.A9.29
Comment 5 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-02-23 15:54:09 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
I agree about creating the project.
Sorry for delaying this but I was not able to provide MessagesYi.php.
The main problem consists in analysing if the messages; to know exacly if they
contain unwanted general punctuation characters or not. Such characters are
introduced using copy and paste.
Comment 6 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-03-20 15:51:42 UTC
The missing project name and sitename should be
װיקינײַעס
according to YIVO spelling; the equivalent without precombined charactes is
וויקינייעס

Please see [[w:project:LanguageYi.php_Revision_1.8#addition_per_bugzilla:04786]]
for the additions namespace variants required per bug 4960.

Would be happy if the project could start soon. Thanks for your support.

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]
Comment 7 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-03-20 17:50:13 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)

Sorry! comment #6 is
Bug 5297: Create Yiddish Wikinews
Comment 8 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-03-25 00:22:27 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> 
> Please see [[w:project:LanguageYi.php_Revision_1.8#addition_per_bugzilla:04786]]
> for the additions namespace variants required per bug 4960.

sould be
Please see [[w:yi:project:LanguageYi.php_Revision_1.8#addition_per_bugzilla:04786]]
for the additions namespace variants required per bug 4960.

Sorry!

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

Comment 9 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-03-25 00:23:21 UTC
(In reply to comment #6 comment #7)
>
> Please see [[w:project:LanguageYi.php_Revision_1.8#addition_per_bugzilla:04786]]
> for the additions namespace variants required per bug 4960.

sould be
Please see [[yi:project:LanguageYi.php_Revision_1.8#addition_per_bugzilla:04786]]
for the additions namespace variants required per bug 4960.

Sorry!

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]
Comment 10 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-03-25 01:16:49 UTC
[[yi:project:LanguageYi.php_Revision_1.8#addition_per_bugzilla:04786]]
is of *no* use becaue it contains three
'LEFT-TO-RIGHT EMBEDDING' - U+202A Unicode characters.

Please take the fixed LanguageYi.php from
http://test.leuksman.com/view/FiverAlpha:Languages/LanguageYi.php#new_LanguageYi.php

Sorry for all the inconveniences. Without debugging tools as requested in bug
5256 the content of the wikies / theri page titles etc will be hazardeous /
unpredictable.

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]
Comment 11 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-03-26 20:11:33 UTC
Thanks!

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