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Bug 4469 - Provide per-namespace site notices
Provide per-namespace site notices
Status: REOPENED
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Interface (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Low enhancement with 8 votes (vote)
: ---
Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
:
: 6391 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
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Reported: 2006-01-03 17:05 UTC by Sy Ali
Modified: 2014-11-17 10:36 UTC (History)
10 users (show)

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Assignee Huggle Beta Tester: ---


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Description Sy Ali 2006-01-03 17:05:55 UTC
MediaWiki:<namespace>:Sitenotice
e.g. MediaWiki:Help:Sitenotice

Implement per-namespace sitenotice functionality.  For example, a sitenotice on
"Help:" would allow for a specific notification for readers of the documentation
which may not apply to the entire site.

This is much easier than inserting a template to every page in a potentially
large namespace.
Comment 1 Rob Church 2006-01-04 11:10:24 UTC
Would be more inclined to use MediaWiki:Sitenotice/<namespace> syntax, falling
back to MediaWiki:Sitenotice if it doesn't exist.
Comment 2 Sy Ali 2006-01-04 14:05:50 UTC
That makes sense.
Comment 3 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2006-01-05 17:03:58 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> Would be more inclined to use MediaWiki:Sitenotice/<namespace> syntax, falling
> back to MediaWiki:Sitenotice if it doesn't exist.

That would potentially conflict with the message/language syntax
Comment 4 Rob Church 2006-01-05 21:06:00 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> That would potentially conflict with the message/language syntax

Then let's use a new message altogether - "MediaWiki:Namespacebanner/<NS>".

Comment 5 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-01-06 10:29:08 UTC
Hallo!

The "/" character is used already for user interface language variants. Would it
be more appropriate to use the "-" character?

"MediaWiki:Namespacebanner-<NS>"

questions:
a) In page titles namespaces are *not* casesensitive, see
[[en:mEDIawIKi:Sitenotice]]. However they will / can be in a syntax as
"MediaWiki:Namespacebanner-<NS>".
b) Should <NS> be
b1) a value (negative or positive)
b2) a "generic" namespace? "Category" or "category"?
b3) a localized namespace? Including all backward compatibility hacks?
c) Would there be a support for custom namespaces also?

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

P.S. I emulated such a "per namespace help" using templates at "WikiPage". The
work was lost.
Comment 6 Magnus Manske 2006-01-08 19:54:25 UTC
Fixed in CVS:
MediaWiki:Namespacebanner contains the "base name", to which the name of the
namespace is appended, like "basename-namespace". By default the base name is
also "Namespacebanner" to add confusion. In namespace names, spaces are replaced
by "-" (due to some weird message handling bug).
So the namespace-specific notice messages loke like:
"Namespacebanner-" (main namespace)
"Namespacebanner-Talk" (Talk namespace)
"Namespacebanner-MediaWiki-talk" (for MediaWiki_talk)
Comment 7 Borgx 2006-02-01 02:52:58 UTC
The feature has not been activated until now. Why?
Comment 8 Rob Church 2006-02-01 02:55:23 UTC
As far as I am aware, it's not present in the code at this time. I believe the
first implementation was considered to be an absolute mess, and the second was
discovered to cause some bizarre items within the cache.

There isn't a clean implementation for this at the present time.
Comment 9 Borgx 2006-02-01 02:58:16 UTC
(In reply to comment #8)
> As far as I am aware, it's not present in the code at this time. I believe the
> first implementation was considered to be an absolute mess, and the second was
> discovered to cause some bizarre items within the cache.
> 
> There isn't a clean implementation for this at the present time.
Bug reopened.
Comment 10 bdk 2006-02-01 03:37:36 UTC
Just a note on importance:
We *really* need such a feature for mediawiki.org, where specific namespace(s) 
- different from the rest of contents on this wiki - generally should be in the 
public domain; primarily for a free (and easy to copy) manual/handbook, that is 
intended to be shipped with the package/distribution in the future, at least as a 
download option (perhaps a specific dump). 
Comment 11 Rob Church 2006-02-01 07:27:34 UTC
Couple of points:

[a] We need a cleaner naming scheme for the messages
[b] This should be able to be switched off in the configuration, for performance
Comment 12 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-02-01 13:00:34 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> "Namespacebanner-" (main namespace)
> "Namespacebanner-Talk" (Talk namespace)
> "Namespacebanner-MediaWiki-talk" (for MediaWiki_talk)

(In reply to comment #11)
> [b] This should be able to be switched off in the configuration, for performance

There is also another point: Custom namspaces do not have "generic names".
What about using "Namespacebanner-<namespace_value>"?

"Namespacebanner-0" (for '' main namespace)
"Namespacebanner-1" (for 'Talk' namespace)
"Namespacebanner-9" (for 'MediaWiki_talk' namespace)
also
"Namespacebanner--1" (for 'Special' namespace)
"Namespacebanner-101" (for custom namespace 'Portal_talk') at
[[en:template:wikivar#ns_101]].
Comment 13 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-02-01 13:01:32 UTC
Sorry! Please read above:
(In reply to comment #11)
> [a] We need a cleaner naming scheme for the messages

Comment 14 Melancholie 2006-02-07 22:23:56 UTC
Isn't the method used at [[de:MediaWiki:Noarticletext]] 
working for [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]], too?
Comment 15 lɛʁi לערי ריינהארט 2006-02-08 20:37:28 UTC
(In reply to comment #14)
> Isn't the method used at [[de:MediaWiki:Noarticletext]] 
> working for [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]], too?

You will find both *language* and *project* dependent pages at
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=special:Prefixindex/MediaWiki_Noarticletext_NS&namespace=10
These are located in the *template* namespace not in the MediaWiki namespace.

It creates different variants of 'MediaWiki:Noarticletext'.
Comment 16 Melancholie 2006-03-12 19:41:05 UTC
OK, have a look on [[b:als:MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] to see how my suggestion works
(it's the same for "MediaWiki:Sitenotice", of course)!

See [[b:als:MediaWiki Diskussion:Anonnotice]] for an overview of the namespace
messages, to see what has to be done before every namespace have its *own* (or
shared) message. Have a close look on the given comments and on the structure of
the sub pages.

Because it is possible to devide MediaWiki:Sitenotice into different sub
notices, I close this bug now.
Comment 17 Borgx 2006-03-13 01:14:42 UTC
(In reply to comment #16)
> OK, have a look on [[b:als:MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] to see how my suggestion works
> (it's the same for "MediaWiki:Sitenotice", of course)!
> 
> See [[b:als:MediaWiki Diskussion:Anonnotice]] for an overview of the namespace
> messages, to see what has to be done before every namespace have its *own* (or
> shared) message. Have a close look on the given comments and on the structure of
> the sub pages.
> 
> Because it is possible to devide MediaWiki:Sitenotice into different sub
> notices, I close this bug now.

Not working for me. (see
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Anonnotice/Mediawiki)
I put message in MediaWiki:Anonnotice/MediaWiki , the default anonnotice for
MediaWiki still MediaWiki:Anonnotice
Comment 18 Melancholie 2006-03-13 02:23:42 UTC
Yes, of course you have to change [[id:MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] 
before; see [[b:als:MediaWiki:Anonnotice]]. --- Best regards, 
Melancholie
Comment 19 Melancholie 2006-03-13 02:29:32 UTC
Oh, and go over [[b:als:MediaWiki_Diskussion:Anonnotice]] again to 
avoid red links, etc.
Comment 20 Borgx 2006-03-13 02:32:46 UTC
> Oh, and go over [[b:als:MediaWiki_Diskussion:Anonnotice]] again to 
> avoid red links, etc.

(In reply to comment #19)
Ah.. I understand.. You use tricky {{NAMESPACE}}. It's a workaround for this
bug. Nice. Thanks
Comment 21 Melancholie 2006-03-13 15:12:38 UTC
BTW: If you should think this feature should be implemented to the software,
consider reopening this bug. The advantages of a software solution would be:

1. Messages could fall back (not every single sub page has to be appointed every
time); see comment #1
2. By finding those MediaWiki messages in [[Special:Allmessages]] it isn't that
"intricate"
3. Something else?
Comment 22 Borgx 2006-08-30 02:12:45 UTC
Using ParserFunctions:

{{#ifexist:MediaWiki:Sitenotice/{{NAMESPACE}}|{{MediaWiki:Sitenotice/{{NAMESPACE}}}}}}
Comment 23 Rob Church 2006-08-30 04:44:37 UTC
This wasn't implemented in code, and wasn't WONTFIXED. Going to reopen.
Comment 24 Jamie Hari 2006-10-23 21:01:48 UTC
Any updates on this gem?
Comment 25 Melancholie 2006-10-25 17:23:37 UTC
Another parser function as workaround:

{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User talk|then text|else text}}

(BTW: {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACEE}}|User_talk|then text|else text}})
(BTW: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Special:Recentchanges|then text|else text}})
Comment 26 Melancholie 2006-10-25 17:25:05 UTC
Usage with no "else text":

{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User talk|then text|}}
Comment 27 Rob Church 2007-01-08 13:54:30 UTC
The site notices are cached once for all views; parser functions which depend
upon {{PAGENAME}} and {{NAMESPACE}} and so on won't work properly in these.
Comment 28 Rob Church 2007-03-29 21:24:02 UTC
*** Bug 6391 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 29 Roan Kattouw 2007-07-03 09:48:19 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> questions:
> a) In page titles namespaces are *not* casesensitive, see
> [[en:mEDIawIKi:Sitenotice]]. However they will / can be in a syntax as
> "MediaWiki:Namespacebanner-<NS>".
They won't. The MediaWiki code internally resolves 'mEDIawIKi' to 'MediaWiki'.
Comment 30 Thomas Bleher 2007-12-19 10:46:04 UTC
Doesn't the PageNotice extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageNotice) already provide all the needed functionality?
Comment 31 Sy Ali 2007-12-20 00:57:55 UTC
I think it does!
Comment 32 Thomas Bleher 2008-02-11 11:07:25 UTC
As the PageNotice extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageNotice) apparently has all the needed functionality, I'm closing this bug now. Wikis that want this functionality should open a separate bug to request installation of this extension.
Comment 33 Melancholie 2008-10-06 23:23:16 UTC
Not sure, but r41655 should be pretty the same when live!
Comment 34 MZMcBride 2008-10-06 23:25:10 UTC
Echoing comment 33; resolving as fixed.
Comment 35 Melancholie 2008-10-13 23:52:34 UTC
... has been reverted with r41994 (cache issues)
Comment 36 MZMcBride 2014-01-05 05:00:05 UTC
(In reply to comment #35)
> ... has been reverted with r41994 (cache issues)

Copying comment from r41655 here:

---
Causes a text load on parser cache hit. Reduces parser cache hit performance especially for ES clusters. Please implement this like every other double-underscore magic word and cooperate with the parser cache. Reverting.
---

"ES" refers to [[mw:Manual:External Storage]].
Comment 37 This, that and the other (TTO) 2014-01-05 05:20:09 UTC
Gerrit change #105434 attempts to re-introduce this feature.

The previous implementations have never lasted long without being reverted, so to respond to previous reasons for reversion:

* Personally I don't think the magic word is necessary, so this change does not implement it.
* Since this feature already exists in a way (Article::showNamespaceHeader can output a header on talk pages), I can't see how this additional functionality would make the caching situation any worse, although there may well be room for improvement.

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