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Bug 3509 - Separate user preference to allow watching uploaded images
Separate user preference to allow watching uploaded images
Status: VERIFIED WONTFIX
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
User preferences (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Lowest enhancement with 5 votes (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2005-09-19 15:08 UTC by Duncan Harris
Modified: 2011-03-13 18:06 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Assignee Huggle Beta Tester: ---


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Description Duncan Harris 2005-09-19 15:08:53 UTC
As per [[bug:2570]] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2570 new uploaded 
files can be added to one's watchlist.  This was mentioned in that bug report but is a 
slightly separate issue (and anyway, that one is closed).  Can we have something in the 
user preferences to be able to set this as default on or off?
Comment 1 Brion Vibber 2005-09-20 01:22:24 UTC
This is already there; in English the pref is labeled something like "Watch 
pages you edit by default". (It's the same for images and pages, not a separate 
pref.)
Comment 2 Duncan Harris 2005-09-20 11:22:03 UTC
Ah, what I meant was that I don't want to watch all pages I edit, but I do want to watch all images I 
upload.  So I think that there should be separate prefs.
Comment 3 Duncan Harris 2007-01-04 13:45:36 UTC
Specifically,

At present, the "Watch this page" tickbox in [[special:upload]] is ticked if in
[[special:preferences]], either "Add pages I edit to my watchlist" andor "Add
pages I create to my watchlist" are checked.  It doesn't matter if "Add pages I
delete to my watchlist" is checked.  This is a bit messy.  I don't know what
will happen with http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8461 but I don't
think it will affect it.

It makes sense for there to be five separate options one each for
create/edit/move/upload/delete.  There therefore needs to be a separate tickbox
option for this in [[special:preferences#prefsection-7]], "Add files I upload to
my watchlist", to have the box checked/unchecked by default.

Hope that is a better explanation.
Comment 4 Brion Vibber 2007-01-05 00:42:52 UTC
Uploading should be counted as a special-case of edit operations for UI purposes.
Comment 5 Duncan Harris 2007-01-06 12:30:34 UTC
Then why is there separate options for (a) delete, (b) move?  Why are they not
"a special-case of edit operations for UI purposes"?

Then why is upload turned on if either (a) edit or (b) create are checked?

What happens if I want to add images I upload to my watchlist, but not pages I
edit or create?

The present situation makes no sense.

It would make a lot more sense if this was split out into a separate option.
Comment 6 Brion Vibber 2007-01-07 10:16:19 UTC
Yes, those should all be re-merged.
Comment 7 Duncan Harris 2007-01-07 11:50:49 UTC
In which case that would be a separate "bug", and would reduce usability, not
increase it.

I want to watch all files I upload, but not all that I create or edit.  I cannot
do that.

You don't have to fix a bug if you don't want it fixed, but with all due
respect, you must come up with a good reason for closing instead of leaving it
open for someone else to fix.

That there are three votes for this, is an indication that others agree with me.
Comment 8 Brion Vibber 2007-01-07 13:43:32 UTC
I believe I've already indicated that it seems unnecessary, and so is not likely
to be added. Leaving the bug open would be counterproductive as it might lead
someone to believe that a patch would be accepted.

I should point out that if you simply must have it yourself, this should be
quite straightforward to do in your user-customized JavaScript.
Comment 9 Aryeh Gregor (not reading bugmail, please e-mail directly) 2007-01-07 19:17:17 UTC
(In reply to comment #7)
> You don't have to fix a bug if you don't want it fixed, but with all due
> respect, you must come up with a good reason for closing instead of leaving it
> open for someone else to fix.

When the lead developer of a project says WONTFIX, that means "fixes are not
going to be added to the repository", not "I'm not personally going to fix it".
Comment 10 feloniousmonk.wikipedia 2007-01-07 19:20:48 UTC
Watching uploaded images as a user preference seems to be a common sense bit of
useful functionality we should add. What's the big deal?
Comment 11 Antoine "hashar" Musso (WMF) 2007-01-07 19:23:15 UTC
STOP WITH THIS BUG PLEASE.

We said NO.
Comment 12 Duncan Harris 2007-01-07 19:39:10 UTC
Is this the royal we?

You should only close it as WONTFIX if there's some kind of impossible technical
mountain to climb.  And I can't see that there's one here.

You don't have to fix it, that's why it's an enhancement.

I've tried to be polite about it, but maybe Brion should take a leaf out of
Jimbo's book in his attempt to become a benevolent dictator.
Comment 13 Brion Vibber 2007-01-07 21:45:35 UTC
Duncan, this (MediaWiki) is a software development project, not a community.

WONTFIX indicates that the request will not be fulfilled. There does not have to
be an "impossible technical mountain to climb". There are millions of things
that technically *could* be added but will not be, because they are unnecessary
or perhaps undesirable.

You do not have a special right to have the request kept open. Keeping the
request open accomplishes nothing, and would be misleading when it has already
been rejected.

Simply reopening it over and over does not accomplish anything other than making
you look like an unpleasant person and a bad sport, which makes me less inclined
to pay attention to any new arguments you may actually have in favor of the
requested change.

I can assure you that continuing in this manner will not get your request
fulfilled; if anything it will guarantee that it will not be fulfilled because
now the idea is associated with "angry emotional guy on internet".

Let's try to act like adults instead.

Duncan, if you have new, reasoned arguments for making this change please feel
free to post them. Same goes for anyone else.

But please don't reopen the bug unless there is some *dire* reason for it (which
I really can't imagine happening). If I'm swayed by your arguments, then the bug
will get reopened.

(In reply to comment #10)
> Watching uploaded images as a user preference seems to be a common sense bit of
> useful functionality we should add. What's the big deal?

We already have this feature; when set to watch on new page creation, uploading
a new file (which is a special type of page creation) will automatically check
the box. I believe this also works when set for all edits.

It's also possible to customize it through JavaScript, eg to check the watch box
only for file uploads but not for other kinds of pages you create.

User preferences always complicate things; surprise interactions, additional
testing burden, behavior differences between different accounts when trying to
explain things to fellow users, etc. Thus new options are (or should be) held to
a high standard of "is this actually needed?"

In my opinion this isn't really needed separately, and if something like it
really is needed then just adding similar options willy-nilly is probably not a
clean way to do it.

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