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Bug 3224 - Bots/minor edits to talk pages should not create "new messages" alert
Bots/minor edits to talk pages should not create "new messages" alert
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Interface (Other open bugs)
1.6.x
All All
: Normal enhancement with 3 votes (vote)
: ---
Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
:
: 5760 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
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Reported: 2005-08-22 15:38 UTC by Ryan Delaney
Modified: 2006-10-29 12:19 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

See Also:
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Assignee Huggle Beta Tester: ---


Attachments
Tested patch making minor edits by bots NOT trigger newtalk (920 bytes, patch)
2006-10-27 10:17 UTC, Andrew Garrett
Details
Modified patch implementing a separate permission key for this behaviour (1.46 KB, patch)
2006-10-29 07:42 UTC, Andrew Garrett
Details

Description Ryan Delaney 2005-08-22 15:38:38 UTC
I recetly had an idea to make a bot to go around replacing common templates with
the {{subst:}} versions. You can see the list of templates that would be
affected by looking at [[User:SubstBot]] on en.wiki. However, since most of
these templates are talk page templates, this might cause disruption when many
users get erroneous "new message" alerts.

Possible solutions:

1. Mediawiki software ignores edits made by identified and approved bot accounts
to user talk pages. This is probably not satisfactory since some bots might want
to leave real messages on talk pages.

2. Mediawiki software ignores edits made by anyone that are marked as "minor
edits". This might be a good idea, since it would let users edit their spelling
and so on without disruption. But some users may find the change confusing.

3. Mediawiki software ignores edits made by identified and approved bot accounts
that are marked as "minor edits". This seems like a decent middle ground.
Comment 1 Fred Chess 2005-08-27 13:26:28 UTC
I'd welcome number 2: minor edits to talk pages do not creating a "you have new
messages".

Comment 2 Ryan Delaney 2005-09-03 01:27:09 UTC
I would like this as well, actually. I the more I think about it, the less I
think it would hurt.
Comment 3 T. Gries 2005-09-03 06:16:20 UTC
This is not an exact solution to your problem, but I'd like to mention to you
the following:

"e-mail notification" comes, if enabled, with a user option "send e-mail
notification also for minor edits": depending on this option, watching users
will or will not receive e-mail notification for a changed page if the page
editor has checked "this a minor edit".
Comment 4 Ryan Delaney 2005-09-19 10:33:11 UTC
Yeah, the problem is that not everyone would use this option, and bot behavior
would still result in a "New messages" dialog appearing an Wiki pages, even if
they are set as minor edits.
Comment 5 Rob Church 2005-09-19 14:19:20 UTC
However, hiding minor edits could well help vandals who target userpages. I'm
aware that anons can't flag edits as minor, however, people can and do create
user accounts for vandalism. I like to know what's going on on my user page and
talk pages, and I suspect that rings true for many others.
Comment 6 Ryan Delaney 2005-09-19 17:51:53 UTC
You don't get a message when someone edits your userpage either, and yet
somehow, userpage vandalism gets reverted.
Comment 7 Rob Church 2005-09-20 10:25:29 UTC
Good point. There are admins with CDVF out there, at least.
Comment 8 Brion Vibber 2006-04-29 21:40:54 UTC
*** Bug 5760 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 9 Andrew Garrett 2006-10-27 10:17:47 UTC
Created attachment 2583 [details]
Tested patch making minor edits by bots NOT trigger newtalk

Implements Behaviour 3. (MINOR edits by botflagged accounts do not trigger the
newtalk banner)
Comment 10 Andrew Garrett 2006-10-29 07:42:25 UTC
Created attachment 2588 [details]
Modified patch implementing a separate permission key for this behaviour

Per discussion with brion on IRC, I've modified the patch as described above.
Comment 11 Andrew Garrett 2006-10-29 12:19:15 UTC
Fixed in r17281

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