Last modified: 2013-09-10 22:44:26 UTC
Hi you all, I want you to see this problem (http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining/eo&oldid=2227403): I have to translate that sentence but "remaining" in esperanto needs the plural form if the number is plural. So I used an ifexpr in order to see if remains 1 minute or one second (minute + second = 1 means that 1 minute or 1 second remains). But variables are inserted in the way $n (don't know if it is PHP or other language), not supported by parser functions. Could you fix this problem? Thank you, - Michael
How is $n not supported by parser functions? {{PLURAL:$1|foo|bar}} works just fine. Could you provide a more concrete example of code that fails?
Here the example in the translated message (http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining/eo&oldid=2227403): {{#ifexpr:$1 + $2|1|restanta|restantaj}} It needs to provade the plural case of "left": if there is 1 minute or one second, ifexpr will show "restanta", if not "restantaj", because "minutes + seconds = 1" means that or minutes=1 and seconds=0 or minutes=0 and seconds=1. Did you understand? - Michael
OK, so how does that fail? There's an expression error on the linked page, but that doesn't mean anything: the expression is indeed invalid until the real numbers are substituted for $1 and $2, at which point it should work.
Aside from this working or not working, no non-core parser functions should use used in MediaWiki default core messages whatsoever.
(In reply to comment #3) > OK, so how does that fail? There's an expression error on the linked page, but > that doesn't mean anything: the expression is indeed invalid until the real > numbers are substituted for $1 and $2, at which point it should work. I hope! Is it possible to "hide" the error? (In reply to comment #4) > Aside from this working or not working, no non-core parser functions should use > used in MediaWiki default core messages whatsoever. Why? It is needed to make plural form! Otherwise I don't know how to make a grammatically correct sentence.
(In reply to comment #5) > Why? It is needed to make plural form! Otherwise I don't know how to make a > grammatically correct sentence. You need a third parameter.
@nemo: you mean a third parameter needs to be added to MediaWiki:Mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining in order to support plural for "remaining" word in this message, because sometimes it depends on $1 + $2 ?
(In reply to comment #7) > @nemo: you mean a third parameter needs to be added to > MediaWiki:Mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining in order to support plural for > "remaining" word in this message, because sometimes it depends on $1 + $2 ? Yes. If I understand correctly how the translator wants to use it, it's a correct usage of plural for Esperanto. (In other languages, to achieve the same reliably you'd need to use a second message or the new plural syntax, see the recent http://laxstrom.name/blag/2012/10/29/muir-woods-has-one-tree-plural-issues-in-mediawiki/ . This single message is not quite ideal even in English, if it displays things like "0 minutes and 30 seconds" etc.)
(In reply to comment #8) > or the new plural syntax I read the example (OMG) and I think that it shouldn't work: it's not depending on a single variable but on the sum of two variable (1+0=1 (one minute and no seconds) or 0+1=1 (no minutes and one second)). I think that the only one correct solution in order to render a grammatically correct sentence in Esperanto is the #ifexpr way. Otherway I suggest you too change the sentence but I think that there is no way to render this sentence in another way without having problem in Esperanto translation.
(In reply to comment #9) > (In reply to comment #8) > > or the new plural syntax > > I read the example (OMG) and I think that it shouldn't work: it's not depending > on a single variable but on the sum of two variable (1+0=1 (one minute and no > seconds) or 0+1=1 (no minutes and one second)). Of course it would work only after the third parameter is implemented. > I think that the only one correct solution in order to render a grammatically > correct sentence in Esperanto is the #ifexpr way. No. Period. See above.
Isn't this more about i18n than UploadWizard?
(In reply to comment #11) > Isn't this more about i18n than UploadWizard? I don't understand the question. It's about UW i18n. Clarified summary.
(In reply to comment #12) > I don't understand the question. It's about UW i18n. Clarified summary. Okay, looking at the discussion I felt its something people want to be supported by i18n. Anyways, any clear idea on how this can be achieved? or just {{PLURAL|$3|remaining...}} where $3 = $1 + $2 would do
Change 78372 had a related patch set uploaded by Nemo bis: Complete PLURAL support in mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78372
Change 78372 merged by jenkins-bot: Complete PLURAL support in mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78372
