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Bug 22986 - Vector: Page actions in dropdown menu should expand if space allows
Vector: Page actions in dropdown menu should expand if space allows
Status: REOPENED
Product: MediaWiki skins
Classification: Unclassified
Vector (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: High enhancement
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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: 23828 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks: 24481 44881
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Reported: 2010-03-28 13:28 UTC by Amir E. Aharoni
Modified: 2014-06-17 17:27 UTC (History)
11 users (show)

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Description Amir E. Aharoni 2010-03-28 13:28:16 UTC
The down-arrow menu, between the watchlist star and the search box is probably the biggest complaint so far from the editors in the Hebrew Wikipedia. And probably not just there - it was already brought up on usability.wikimedia.org back in August: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prototype/Archive_4#Lady_Aleena.27s_comments .

It's very important to let the user configure what appears in that menu and what is directly available. Many administrators complained that it is very inconvenient to have the "delete" link hidden there. It takes time to find it after moving to Beta, and even after the admin knows where that link is it's still inconvenient for many.

I am an admin and for me, personally, it's OK, because i don't delete pages so often, but for new page patrollers it must be quite an annoyance. They should be able to have the delete button directly accessible.
Comment 1 Trevor Parscal 2010-04-27 23:20:28 UTC
Vector was designed with entry-level users in mind. That said, there are other issues with surfacing all, or even just more, items from the drop-down to the tab-level. We get just as many complaints about having not enough horizontal room for the tabs that are there, so we side with tucking things away that are less used. View, Edit and History are the most used by far, so they are rightly visible at the top level. History actually tucks away when there's not enough room.

It would be more productive to explore extensions to the skin which could provide quick-access to otherwise less accessible controls for experienced users. But this is not a priority for the design and development of the Vector skin at this time, and the same users who are having these issues are very well able to change to a different skin using the preferences system.

Hopefully we will get to study advanced users soon and develop solutions tailored to them, like we have been doing for novice users over the last year.
Comment 2 Amir E. Aharoni 2010-04-28 06:06:53 UTC
In the meantime advanced users run away from Vector and when i ask them why, they most often cite this reason. You studies may show different results.

This bug only proposes to make the menu configurable, not to change the defaults.
Comment 3 MZMcBride 2010-04-28 06:14:07 UTC
WONTFIX means "never, ever going to happen." The remarks in comment 1 demonstrate the use-cases, benefits, and implementation ideas for this feature.

Unless there's another bug that is a duplicate of this bug (which would be a different bug resolution anyway), this bug should remain open. It's not an unreasonable request, simply one that nobody has gotten around to. If the Usability team wants to make it a low priority, that's its prerogative. That isn't the equivalent of "WONTFIX."

I have a feeling that some of these bugs are being closed due to people not wanting them in their "assigned" queue. If that's the case, just re-assign them to wikibugs. WONTFIX isn't the answer.
Comment 4 Trevor Parscal 2010-04-28 20:28:41 UTC
Leave it open if you like - my point is that Vector's top-level menu is not designed to hold large quantities of tabs, and adding a configuration for selecting which things should go where works against that.
Comment 5 Krinkle 2010-06-07 22:00:39 UTC
Tho it might have been brought up somewhere else in the mean time, 
I just want to point out that Vector has a functionality under it's hood which is capable of moving tabs on the fly.

Meaning, that for example the "history" tab, by default, is in the tabbar, but if you make your window smaller, it'll jump into the dropdown, and when making the window bigger it'll jump out again.

I strongly suggest to expand this functionaity (whether or not as an option, but I believe everyone would benefit this) to extend this functionality to ALL tab/dropdown items:

Whenever there is space, but them out in the open. What doens't fit: --> in the drop down.

This way power users with (likely) wider screens see more (if not all) tabs.

Then, with the entry-level users in mind; instead of hiding less-used options. The Vector-skin would simply show them further on the right of the tabbar (when there's space). It makes sense that the most used options are up-front. (ie. on the left of the right-side-tabbar). 

It simply doens't make sense to hide advanced option when there's space for them.

Besides, anonymous users dont have thoses option anyway a.f.a.i.k., and to make a dropdown just for the "Move" option even if in most cases there is space for that link to be in the tabbar seems not to make sense.
Comment 6 Roan Kattouw 2010-06-08 18:17:04 UTC
*** Bug 23828 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 Bugmeister Bot 2011-08-19 19:12:49 UTC
Unassigning default assignments. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/54734
Comment 8 Helder 2012-12-25 12:22:28 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> Tho it might have been brought up somewhere else in the mean time, 
> I just want to point out that Vector has a functionality under it's hood
> which
> is capable of moving tabs on the fly.
> 
> Meaning, that for example the "history" tab, by default, is in the tabbar,
> but
> if you make your window smaller, it'll jump into the dropdown, and when
> making
> the window bigger it'll jump out again.

For the record, that feature is documented at [[mw:Extension:Vector#CollapsibleTabs]].
Comment 9 Krinkle 2013-09-04 02:00:05 UTC
Changing summary to be easier to find and reflect the intention that Trevor and I have in mind with this.

Basically we should have more of the action items be like "View history". In other words: Be in the tab area (instead of dropdown menu) by default as screen size allows, and move them into the dropdown if there is no space (and out again, if the window is resized or orientation changed and space becomes available).
Comment 10 Krinkle 2013-09-04 02:02:12 UTC
Though we can apply it to more in the future, for this bug's scope, I propose we apply it to "Move page", "Delete" (and "Restore)" and "Protect" (and "Unprotect").
Comment 11 Derk-Jan Hartman 2013-09-04 13:00:35 UTC
it would probably also help if the actions menu was more self explainable. Either by a label, or an icon. If it just said "page actions", as a beginner i would probably be much more inclined to look at what it contains.
Comment 12 Krinkle 2014-06-06 04:02:56 UTC
Rephrasing bug. Basically all tabs should expand out of any drop down menu if space is available.

Some may be fixed to never go into a menu (like Read and Edit), but no items should explicitly always stay within the menu (like Delete and Move are now).
Comment 13 Quiddity 2014-06-06 15:37:05 UTC
(In reply to Derk-Jan Hartman from comment #11)
> it would probably also help if the actions menu was more self explainable.
> Either by a label, or an icon. If it just said "page actions", as a beginner
> i would probably be much more inclined to look at what it contains.

Side-Note that bug 44591 implemented this, last week. :)

(Tech/News summary: "You will soon see a label next to the little triangle arrow for the Actions menu in the Vector skin (https://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=15540 )")

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