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Bug 19809 - Remove North Korean calendar in MessagesKo.php
Remove North Korean calendar in MessagesKo.php
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Internationalization (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal minor (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Depends on: 18849
Blocks:
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Reported: 2009-07-18 14:25 UTC by klutzy
Modified: 2009-07-29 14:32 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description klutzy 2009-07-18 14:25:55 UTC
I suggest to remove North Korean calendar in MessagesKo.php. It was added by bug 18849 and r50804, however, it makes controversies only in ko.wp.

ko.wp users are embarrassed by the existence of North Korean "Juche" calendar. Since there is no North Korean wikipedian in ko.wp, it is useless and it just makes newly signed users confused.
Comment 1 Casey Brown 2009-07-18 14:31:37 UTC
MediaWiki doesn't exist purely for Wikipedia, it's intended to be a wikiplatform on its own too.  Maybe someone *does* run a North Korean site somewhere?  We don't want to remove this capability for them.
Comment 2 klutzy 2009-07-18 14:53:58 UTC
Even if they exist, I think it is not good way to add their own calendar until they actually need it. (South Korea has also its local calendar system but none needs it and adding it also causes confusion.) I think the number of North Korean wiki users is much smaller than the number of people who are confused by North Korea calendar.

Additionally, in South Korea, there is a law ([[en:National Security Act (South Korea)]]) that forbids relationship with North Korea or Communism materials. Although the possibility that it comes to the real problem is low, some people are aware that using MediaWiki may be restricted by the law.
Comment 3 Dan Jacobson 2009-07-19 01:55:36 UTC
1. Maybe split off North Korean like Chinese is split into many
MessagesZh_*, as dates certainly won't be the only conflict.
I suppose have North Korean be a new variant that inherits "Korean".

2. Or have the offended website give different choices via
LocalSettings.php.
Comment 4 Dan Jacobson 2009-07-19 02:15:06 UTC
In [[Juche#Calendar]] we see that that
calendar it is in real live use in offices just like 
[[Minguo calendar]] is in Taiwan.

As to a other Korean, or South Korean calendar, all I can find is some
mention in [[Korean calendar#History]]
Comment 5 Dan Jacobson 2009-07-19 02:27:13 UTC
And in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/44401
we learn that MediaWiki is used by governments that might not be able to afford...

So let's not "cut ourselves out of the North Korean market", whose statistics are surely a secret, so don't believe any you (don't) hear.
Comment 6 Shinjiman 2009-07-24 16:23:58 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> 1. Maybe split off North Korean like Chinese is split into many
> MessagesZh_*, as dates certainly won't be the only conflict.
> I suppose have North Korean be a new variant that inherits "Korean".
> 2. Or have the offended website give different choices via
> LocalSettings.php.

Maybe a new code ko-KP could be considered? and make "ko-KP" to be fallback of "ko"?
Comment 7 Niklas Laxström 2009-07-28 14:27:14 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> Maybe a new code ko-KP could be considered? and make "ko-KP" to be fallback of
> "ko"?

Suits me. Looks like we are slowly moving towards locales instead of languages anyway. The fallback should be ko-KP => ko though.
Comment 8 Shinjiman 2009-07-29 14:32:25 UTC
Splitted the North Korean calendar from ko to ko-KP on r53943.

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