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Bug 13869 - No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages
No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages
Status: RESOLVED INVALID
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Internationalization (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal enhancement (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
: patch
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Blocks:
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Reported: 2008-04-28 11:40 UTC by AlefZet
Modified: 2008-08-24 16:52 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Attachments
Patch for MediaWiki (1.78 KB, patch)
2008-04-28 11:40 UTC, AlefZet
Details

Description AlefZet 2008-04-28 11:40:31 UTC
Created attachment 4843 [details]
Patch for MediaWiki

In Turkic and Mongolic languages after numerals is used always singular form.
Comment 1 Huji 2008-04-29 17:37:44 UTC
AlefZet,

I'm not familiar with these languages, but I know that in Persian numerals don't make the word next to them plural; however, the verb of the sentence may sometimes need to get pluralized. Is it the same with Turkic and Mongolic languages?
Comment 2 AlefZet 2008-04-29 17:45:36 UTC
Salam, Huji.
In Turkic and Mongolic verbs hasn't plural marker. 
Comment 3 AlefZet 2008-05-12 16:10:07 UTC
Committed to SVN with r34666
Comment 4 AlefZet 2008-05-13 07:41:43 UTC
User Siebrand arbitrary reverted r34666 (partially) by r34693 with unintelligible comment: "did not mention/motivate". 

Siebrand is well informed by initiators of discussions in [http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Siebrand#plural_check_for_Turkic_languages] and 
[http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Siebrand#Plural_checks_needed_for_.27mn.27.3F] almost on month ago.
Also I commit request on his talk page. He is ignored other's opinions and silent. Very strange behevior.

For any linguist well known about Turkic and Mongolic languages being in Altaic family of languages didn't use plural forms with numbers.

Diar developers, please revert the revert of r34693.

Thanks

Comment 5 AlefZet 2008-06-17 11:45:20 UTC
Any reactions?
Comment 6 Huji 2008-08-23 13:47:41 UTC
AlefZet,

Let's not talk about who did what, but focus on what should be done. This will eventually convince everyone about the final action, if appropriate reasoning is provided here.

I again insist that I'm familiar with neithr Turkic nor Mogolic languages. If Turkish itself is a Turkic language, I'm aware that they need PLURAL checks; if not, I'm not a knowledgeable person.

However, I'm asking millosh to comment here. He is a linguist, and may be able to enlighten the situation here.
Comment 7 Milos Rancic 2008-08-23 15:14:26 UTC
Here is the report. Only relevant languages (with substantial number of speakers are covered):

* Oghuric group:
** Chuvash: has plural (search for "plural" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_language)
* Southeastern group:
** Uyghur/Uighur: has plural (http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/Profile.aspx?menu=004&LangID=69)
** Uzbek: has plural (http://www.oxuscom.com/250words.htm)
* Kypchak group:
** Altay: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_language)
** Bashkir: has plural (http://books.google.com/books?id=DIuRVRwsZgMC&pg=PA35&vq=plural&dq=%22bashkir+language%22+noun+plural&source=gbs_search_s&sig=ACfU3U1ml4ayn2R-mgJM-_8qtKPHZA5Utw)
** Crimean Tatar: no data, related to Tatar, so, probably has.
** Karachay-Balkar: has pluarl (http://books.google.com/books?ei=aSCwSJeDEIzAzAT-oen0Bg&id=uCBkAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Karachay-Balkar+language%22+noun+plural&q=noun+plural&pgis=1#search)
** Karakalpak: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakalpak_language)
** Kazakh: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_language)
** Kumyk: no data, probably has
** Kyrgyz: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz_language)
** Nogai: no data, but closely related to Kazakh and Kyrgyz, which have plurals.
** Tatar: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatar_language)
** Urum: no data, probably has
* Oghuz group:
** Azerbaijani (including: Afshar): has plural (http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/Profile.aspx?LangID=57&menu=004)
** Gagauz: no data, probably has (related with Turkish).
** Balkan Gagauz Turkish: no data, probably has (related with Turkish).
** Khorasani Turkic: no data, probably has (related with Uzbek and Azerbaijani).
** Qashqai: no data, probably has (related with Azerbaijani)
** Turkish: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language)
** Turkmen: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_language)
* Arghu group:
** Khalaj: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalaj_language)
* Northeastern group:
** Khakas: no data, probably has (related with Sakha/Yakut).
** Sakha: has plural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakha_language)
** Tuvan: no data, probably has (related with Sakha/Yakut).

In short, there is no mention that some of the languages have no plural. If this is so, it would be an interesting linguistic fact which would be widely known.
Comment 8 Huji 2008-08-24 16:52:04 UTC
AlefZet,

I'm going to stay bold at this time and close this bug as invalid. However, you may have reasons against this. I'm afraid this bugzilla entry is not the place for such discussion. I suggest you continue the discussion with Milos somewhere on Meta, then request a revision to this bug entry linking to your consensus there.

Best,

Hojjjat (aka Huji)

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